War in Ukraine

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DonjoVol said:
We had absolutely no business getting involved and meddling in their political affairs. None whatsoever.

Yanukovych was actually trying to have a diplomatic relationship with both the west and Russia. Are they not allowed to have that?
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The people of Ukraine, remember the people were are supposed to care about, said they didnt want the Russian ties. Or is anti government action only allowed when it brings people closer to Russia?

Your entire argument is based on Nuland and her cookies. OMG the American ambassador expressed an opinion on the leader of the country she liasoned too. And then she was pictured at the Maiden event handing out cookies to the protestors!!!!

Oh wait, John McCain also said something about closer to ties to Ukraine like five years before that.

That PROVES America was involved, no way two US officials comment on something publically without the US being directly involved.

What else do you have to prove the US was meddling more than Russia?
 
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DonjoVol said:
Does it affect your everyday life outside of the virtue signaling you and others do every day about this on Volnation?
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I havent called for US intervention. I was adamantly against the proposed No Fly Zone. I have even expressed displeasure at us GIVING Ukraine weapons, I have no issue with selling them but I dont like giving them away.

As usual you are barking up the wrong tree as you constantly lash out at anything anti Russian instead of addressing the questions and the truth about what is actually posted here. You rely on jumping to extremes, exaggeration, and flat put misrepresenting others arguments while you dance around avoiding the questions.

How. Does. This. Impact. Russias. Daily. Life?

It clearly doesnt effect us, no one has said otherwise, and we arent directly involved losing lives. But Russia is directly involved, losing lives, so it must matter far more to them right?
 
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LouderVol said:
What else do you have to prove the US was meddling more than Russia?
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I can't speak for others, but Russia meddling in Ukraine isn't our problem and never has been our problem. It doesn't really matter if they meddled long before we did, meddled more or less than we did, etc. It's their neighbor, who at times off and on over the last few centuries has shared a Country with Russia. So, family neighbor at that.

Again I ask, why does/did the US care? What concern is it of ours who controls Ukraine? What's in it for the average American citizen for our Gov't to insert itself into a family matter on the other side of the World? This is the very essence of what the Founders warned about. We're entangling ourselves for no good reason. Nothing good has come from our inserting ourselves into Ukraine. It didn't benefit the average American citizen and it didn't benefit the average Ukrainian citizen. All it did is enrich those at the top through corruption...and now it will enrich the military industrial complex through a completely unnecessary war.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Canada handling of the truckers and this nonsense from the US is showing people that The West is gradually losing property rights. We're no better than the Soviets or CCP if things continue in this direction. Also, what foreigners would consider trusting western entities with their investments or their property? If they don't walk in line with the US, they will risk getting their s^^t stolen or confiscated?
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So the counter is to invade and take by force?

I mean if you were actually pushing a worthwhile cause you might have an argument. But instead you are defending the aggressor in the largest land war in I dont know how long. And it's an aggressor that is going after a third party and not the issues you take exception to.
 
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volgr said:
I can't speak for others, but Russia meddling in Ukraine isn't our problem and never has been our problem. It doesn't really matter if they meddled long before we did, meddled more or less than we did, etc. It's their neighbor, who at times off and on over the last few centuries has shared a Country with Russia. So, family neighbor at that.

Again I ask, why does/did the US care? What concern is it of ours who controls Ukraine? What's in it for the average American citizen for our Gov't to insert itself into a family matter on the other side of the World? This is the very essence of what the Founders warned about. We're entangling ourselves for no good reason. Nothing good has come from our inserting ourselves into Ukraine. It didn't benefit the average American citizen and it didn't benefit the average Ukrainian citizen. All it did is enrich those at the top through corruption...and now it will enrich the military industrial complex through a completely unnecessary war.
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Because of the Budapest Agreement which we committed to and you have absolutely no answer for you disingenuous lying stooge!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Because of the Budapest Agreement which we committed to and you have absolutely no answer for you disingenuous lying stooge!
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Which your source says doesn't contain explicit defense obligations to which you said the lawyers soft sold the language. So, no. Try again. We aren't obligated to insert ourselves into Ukrainian affairs.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
But they have time to haul Russian tanks...
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Having a fifty plus ton war machine in the way would require addressing if you want to actually farm the land... especially if you consider the risk of it blowing up, or someone coming to retrieve it after planting the land, and losing an even bigger patch of land. You seriously expect them to ignore military vehicles?
 
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volgr said:
Which your source says doesn't contain explicit defense obligations to which you said the lawyers soft sold the language. So, no. Try again. We aren't obligated to insert ourselves into Ukrainian affairs.
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Yes we are obligated to provide support including lethal aid but we are not obligated for combat troops. THAT is actually what the source said Larry before you do the stooge two step on it. And none of it provides a valid reason for Pootin to shred the agreement at least three times now.
 
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