War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
This is where rational people with an IQ higher than yours realize Russia isn't the only to blame in this fiasco and the West (mostly the US) shares in a large portion of that blame.
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The fiasco before the war. Sure, blame the US if it helps you sleep at night.

Everything after Russia invaded is 100% on Russia. No way to twist that to mostly blame the US for Russias direct actions.
 
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LouderVol said:
The fiasco before the war. Sure, blame the US if it helps you sleep at night.

Everything after Russia invaded is 100% on Russia. No way to twist that to mostly blame the US for Russias direct actions.
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Doesn't effect my sleep, it is the truth. The US is just as much, if not more, to blame for the whole fiasco in Ukraine as Russia is. There is no other way to spin it. Unless you have been in a coma for the last 10 years and woke up in February.
 
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They are stupid like a fox. There is a bigger play here. This was in the works to take place during Clinton's Presidency. They just had to delay it 4 years.
 
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Apparently the Transnistrian MoD has ordered general mobilization of the military after today’s ban of fighting age men from leaving the country.
 
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volgr said:
Doesn't effect my sleep, it is the truth. The US is just as much, if not more, to blame for the whole fiasco in Ukraine as Russia is. There is no other way to spin it. Unless you have been in a coma for the last 10 years and woke up in February.
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Russia bought off ukrainian president, it blew up in their face because of Nulands cookies. If you squint real hard after doing about 20 shots of backyard moonshine sure it's the US's fault Russias plan didnt go according to plan.
Russia seized Crimea. No way to blame the US.
Russia armed the rebels. No way to blame the US.
Russia kept arming the rebels long after they "should have given up to save their lives". No way to blame the US.
After they ran out of rebels, Russia sent "voluneteers" in official russian uniform, with Russian provided gear in the Donbas region. No way to blame the US.
Russia then held a "peace conference", where anything short of Ukraine giving up everything to the Russians, Ukraine giving up their sovereignity, including their right to choose allies, and their right to elect their own president, was refused. No way to blame the US for incredibly unreasonable
Russian terms with nothing given in return.
 
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volgr said:
Yeah, Ukraine isn't being steam rolled in the Donbas each day. All just TASS propaganda.
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Steamrollers move pretty slow, but not nearly as slow as the Russian military. Over two months now to “liberate” an area the size of Rhode Island allegedly filled with people supporting the Russian cause.
 
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LouderVol said:
Russia bought off ukrainian president, it blew up in their face because of Nulands cookies. If you squint real hard after doing about 20 shots of backyard moonshine sure it's the US's fault Russias plan didnt go according to plan.
Russia seized Crimea. No way to blame the US.
Russia armed the rebels. No way to blame the US.
Russia kept arming the rebels long after they "should have given up to save their lives". No way to blame the US.
After they ran out of rebels, Russia sent "voluneteers" in official russian uniform, with Russian provided gear in the Donbas region. No way to blame the US.
Russia then held a "peace conference", where anything short of Ukraine giving up everything to the Russians, Ukraine giving up their sovereignity, including their right to choose allies, and their right to elect their own president, was refused. No way to blame the US for incredibly unreasonable
Russian terms with nothing given in return.
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Putin's speech in 2014 regarding Crimea answers quite a bit of this and he speaks directly to the US. As I said, both are to blame but at the end of the day there was never any reason for the US to insert itself into Russia's sphere other than to provoke and intimidate.
 
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allvol123 said:
“Mama, please tell me again the story how papa died in the great special military operation”
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In make great benefit glorious nation of Soviet Russia during denazification re-nazifcation of violent upstart gay satanist death cabal Ukraine Papa illustriously fought the gay black magik Treants that NATO supplied to Ukraine then was swallowed by a nazi jew golem created in an American bio-lab in Moldova where they also trained pigeons to fly in a swastika formation and make the great people of Russia gay.
 
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MG1968 said:
The Donbas isn’t the only area where fighting is taking place. Is it?
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Where the majority of current fighting is taking place. Some speculate the southern front could begin to push soon as Mariupol units are repositioned.
 
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volgr said:
Putin's speech in 2014 regarding Crimea answers quite a bit of this and he speaks directly to the US. As I said, both are to blame but at the end of the day there was never any reason for the US to insert itself into Russia's sphere other than to provoke and intimidate.
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Unless we were asked....
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Fear is a great uniter. This appears to be Russian a propaganda TV show designed to make the Russian people fear us more than they hate their own government.
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It worked for us during the Cold War. We feared the Soviet Union more than we hated our government. After the Soviet Union fell we seem to have automatically found a big fountain of self loathing within our own population ... some of them are posting here daily.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Good Lord could we maybe pause the Ukraine spending for a month or two and let them use the huge stockpile of arms they’ve already been committed?
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Never let a crisis go to waste. You never know if Russia might give up tomorrow, and then all that remaining money could be diverted to the dem's socialist and social deviant platforms. Unless somebody with balls reminded the administration that there was a precedent set about not sending allocated funds to Ukraine ... in a timely manner, too.
 
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volgr said:
Putin's speech in 2014 regarding Crimea answers quite a bit of this and he speaks directly to the US. As I said, both are to blame but at the end of the day there was never any reason for the US to insert itself into Russia's sphere other than to provoke and intimidate.
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Did he happen to explain why he chose to shred the Budapest Agreement at least three times up till now Larry?
 
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