War in Ukraine

If the idiot in chief blows this and Xi starts to thinking he can get away with taking Taiwan we will be in a shooting war with China. And I doubt they **** the bed like the Russians.


I kinda think that Xi is going hummm. You give Taiwan some weaponry as such, and with a bunch of dedicated fighters, it would be a bloodbath, Much smaller terrain though.
I just think back to the Gulf War and how American warfare changed the CCP's thoughts on modern mass warfare, precision, and such.

What are your thoughts on this what seems to be distributed warfare? A missile taking out a tank at max tank gun range with as much or more precision. Drones that loiter and such for a kill. A single B-2 pass that could knock out 160 targets with Muti seeker mode SDB's.

Crazy and not sure the CCP is up for a challenge..just yet.
 
I kinda think that Xi is going hummm. You give Taiwan some weaponry as such, and with a bunch of dedicated fighters, it would be a bloodbath, Much smaller terrain though.
I just think back to the Gulf War and how American warfare changed the CCP's thoughts on modern mass warfare, precision, and such.

What are your thoughts on this what seems to be distributed warfare? A missile taking out a tank at max tank gun range with as much or more precision. Drones that loiter and such for a kill. A single B-2 pass that could knock out 160 targets with Muti seeker mode SDB's.

Crazy and not sure the CCP is up for a challenge..just yet.
Don’t discount China’s best stuff they are our only peer currently. But I wonder how much their doctrine has changed on pounding your fist with their face until you capitulate. If they still pull that and Taiwan is well supplied then they’ve got a chance. But if China comes at us full throated the first thing they are gonna do is blind our GPS sats then we don’t have any precision. Item two will be to pop every carrier within strike range of them. Item three will be glare at Japan and dare them to say one damn word.
 
Don’t discount China’s best stuff they are our only peer currently. But I wonder how much their doctrine has changed on pounding your fist with their face until you capitulate. If they still pull that and Taiwan is well supplied then they’ve got a chance. But if China comes at us full throated the first thing they are gonna do is blind our GPS sats then we don’t have any precision. Item two will be to pop every carrier within strike range of them. Item three will be glare at Japan and dare them to say one damn word.

That is WW3 material just as much as my scenario.

I think the next peer war will be hyper war..You a big juicy target...tank, carrier, ship, tanker, whatever...going to die quick. Makes me wonder if the Pentagon is correct in this USMC reassignment of doing away with mass offensive warfare. A properly equipped Marine unit with proper weaponry could sink any ships for dozens or more miles.

Quite interesting warfare tactics and this massive evolution of precision and squad weapons.
 
That is WW3 material just as much as my scenario.

I think the next peer war will be hyper war..You a big juicy target...tank, carrier, ship, tanker, whatever...going to die quick. Makes me wonder if the Pentagon is correct in this USMC reassignment of doing away with mass offensive warfare. A properly equipped Marine unit with proper weaponry could sink any ships for dozens or more miles.

Quite interesting warfare tactics and this massive evolution of precision and squad weapons.
The first MFer that figures out how to maintain targeting accuracy in GPS denied environments is riach biatch!!!
 
‘The race is on’: Britain moves to get heavy artillery to Ukraine

LONDON — Britain’s defence secretary says allies must move quickly to supply Ukraine with heavy artillery capable of at least matching Russia.

“The race is on to equip Ukraine with the same long-range capability that Russia has so they are not outranged and indeed pinned down,” Ben Wallace told Parliamentarians April 25.

“The next three weeks are key,” he added. “Ukraine needs more long-range artillery and ammunition, and both Russian and NATO caliber types to accompany them. It also seeks anti-ship missiles to counter Russian ships that are able to bombard Ukrainian cities.”
Analysts, including the International Institute for Strategic Studies think tank here, have for some time acknowledged Russia has a distinct advantage in artillery capabilities.

Wallace denied weekend media reports claiming the government was sending British Army AS90 tracked 155mm howitzers, but did say consideration was being given to dispatching Army 105mm towed light guns to Ukraine.

Responding to questions from lawmakers, Wallace said the main artillery effort initially centered on procuring Russian equipment, but now has extended to highly mobile Western 155mm weapons.

“We first and foremost started with sourcing around the world 152mm Soviet caliber [weapons] so [Ukraine] can keep going with that and, in parallel, exploring with a number of other nations either 105mm, our main lightweight guns, and the 155mm in more mobile versions than the big armored AS90,” he said.

“One of the things this modern battlefield is showing is you had better move quickly once you have fired your guns because you can be found very quickly by pretty cheap off-the-shelf UAVs,” Wallace added.
 
The first MFer that figures out how to maintain targeting accuracy in GPS denied environments is riach biatch!!!

INS a dodo bird? Terminal seekers..infrared and mm radar. I get the long range stuff will be impacted.
I defer to you as you are much more knowledgable than me, but we not mitigating GPS denied guidance issues?
Those terrain following Tomahawks would seem good even today.
 
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INS a dodo bird? Terminal seekers..infrared and mm radar. I get the long range stuff will be impacted.
I defer to you as you are much more knowledgable than me, but we not mitigating GPS denied guidance issues?
Those terrain following Tomahawks would seem good even today.
INS is still the primary nav mode. The “high rate” nav solution is INS with a Kalman filter wrapped around the INS solution using GPS data for real time error correction to provide a “blended” solution. I literally bought a text book on Amazon for a graduate level study on inertial navigation and it tells you exactly how to do it. Which is why the Chicoms have it too.

Aided Navigation: GPS with High Rate Sensors
 
INS is still the primary nav mode. The “high rate” nav solution is INS with a Kalman filter wrapped around the INS solution using GPS data for real time error correction to provide a “blended” solution. I literally bought a text book on Amazon for a graduate level study on inertial navigation and it tells you exactly how to do it. Which is why the Chicoms have it too.

Aided Navigation: GPS with High Rate Sensors

Can u dumb that down for my dumbassery?
Apparently I should be concerned.
 
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Because we have said we would defend them. We keep our word right? After our mixed messaging screw up on Korea we won’t make that mistake in Asia again.
Keeping your word shouldn't become a death pact. Pragmatism should push the leadership in this country to not gamble over Taiwan that has no strategic interest to us (yes, save me the chip production nonsense because we outsourced that and created that problem ourselves).

We have made far too many promises and as we can see in Ukraine right now, we don't have the stomach or ability to keep them.

Let the regional players sort out these regional conflicts and let us focus on rebuilding our own economy and securing our own borders for once.
 
Can u dumb that down for my dumbassery?
Apparently I should be concerned.
We still use INS to get the positional error say 5X of what we can stand. Then we used canned state estimation filters on GPS data and the pure inertial solution to A) estimate the errors in the INS sensor package and B) refine in real time the inertial solution to get it below 1X allowable positional error.

This is the public domain stuff everyone knows. See the text book I linked. Each supplier has their own refined algos that tighten it up.

This is how us, the Chinese, and the Russians all do it. GPS, GLONASS, and BeiDou we all have our own systems. John Deere tractors will actually have dual mode GPS and GLONASS receivers. Fun fact, John Deere was at one time the largest consumer of GPS information in the world. Might still be for all I know
 
Keeping your word shouldn't become a death pact. Pragmatism should push the leadership in this country to not gamble over Taiwan that has no strategic interest to us (yes, save me the chip production nonsense because we outsourced that and created that problem ourselves).

We have made far too many promises and as we can see in Ukraine right now, we don't have the stomach or ability to keep them.

Let the regional players sort out these regional conflicts and let us focus on rebuilding our own economy and securing our own borders for once.
LMAO thanks for showing us all just how conditional “our word” is to whatever narrative you’re pushing Moe. I expected nothing less 🤡
 
INS a dodo bird? Terminal seekers..infrared and mm radar. I get the long range stuff will be impacted.
I defer to you as you are much more knowledgable than me, but we not mitigating GPS denied guidance issues?
Those terrain following Tomahawks would seem good even today.
Oh and yes those terrain following Tomahawks are still very good. GPS denied navigating is still a very very tough problem. For everyone.

We still have “keyed” military GPS receivers and SAASM capable receivers (selective availability anti spoof module) but everything has a counter.
 
Oh and yes those terrain following Tomahawks are still very good. GPS denied navigating is still a very very tough problem. For everyone.

We still have “keyed” military GPS receivers and SAASM capable receivers (selective availability anti spoof module) but everything has a counter.

I just dont get how we can target an ICBM with pretty good accuracy 50 year ago with just INS for an intercontinental static target mission to within say 50 meters, and not solve long range tactical missions wiith some terminal seeker for tactical missions. MTI and all. Probably how CCP is using their carrier killers.
 
I just dont get how we can target an ICBM with pretty good accuracy 50 year ago with just INS for an intercontinental static target mission to within say 50 meters, and not solve long range tactical missions wiith some terminal seeker for tactical missions. MTI and all. Probably how CCP is using their carrier killers.
Ballistic profiles my dude. Ballistic profiles. Greatly simplifies the whole navigation task when you know the answer up front. And I honestly don’t know how accurate they were but the allowable margin of error was considerably larger.
 
Doesnt seem to be much change from last week. Russians continue making important gains in the liberation of the Donbas while the depleted Ukrainian forces continue taking heavy casualties. Russia continues to score western arms from depots left by retreating Ukraine forces. Looks like several key arteries from western Ukraine have now been severed in an effort to keep heavy western weapons out. Russia continues to grind Ukraine down while we continue to support needlessly throwin young Ukrainian men into said meat grinder.

The calculus hasnt changed. Russia is winning and will win.
Funny you call a foreign force invading a sovereign country liberation. World we consider a thief breaking into your home for your belongings a liberator?
 
LMAO thanks for showing us all just how conditional “our word” is to whatever narrative you’re pushing Moe. I expected nothing less 🤡
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Can you not see that there isca difference between promising not to engage in conflict (expanding NATO) vs promising to insert ourselves into a conflict? Our default position should be to avoid these regional skirmishes as much as possible. Taiwan is not worth the potential blowback and consequences.
 
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Can you not see that there isca difference between promising not to engage in conflict (expanding NATO) vs promising to insert ourselves into a conflict? Our default position should be to avoid these regional skirmishes as much as possible. Taiwan is not worth the potential blowback and consequences.
I see just fine. And I’m unmoved by your BS. Once guarantees are made then they need to be honored. Petition all you want to minimize our participation in entangling alliances. In fact I agree on that. But once guarantees are made then that’s binding.
 
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I see just fine. And I’m unmoved by your BS. Once guarantees are made then they need to be honored. Petition all you want to minimize our participation in entangling alliances. In fact I agree on that. But once guarantees are made then that’s binding.
Not if the agreement isn't wise or in our best interests.

Again, being pragmatic vs locking ourselves into a death pact.
 
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Can you not see that there isca difference between promising not to engage in conflict (expanding NATO) vs promising to insert ourselves into a conflict? Our default position should be to avoid these regional skirmishes as much as possible. Taiwan is not worth the potential blowback and consequences.
"Well, I know I promised to pay back the note on my house, but now that I look back on it that was a bad idea, so I'm out."

Edit:

"I'll keep the house though... thanks."
 
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