War in Ukraine

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AM64 said:
The F-35 probably does a lot of really neat stuff; but the availability rate barely hits 60%, and that's not operating out of improvised areas during a real conflict with problematic logistics. The other issue is will the gloves stay off or will politicians (both military and civilian) do stupid stuff that limits how the F-35 operates. For all the technology, it's still a jack of all trades and likely a master of none, and insanely expensive to maintain and replace. Time will tell.
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Certainly. No one has said it is efficient, or cheap. But it is unlike anything else.

Others are lining up to buy it.
 
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luthervol said:
I work off of this premise:
Not invading sovereign countries and committing war crimes = good
Invading sovereign countries and committing war crimes = bad

You tend to overcomplicate it in your attempt to support your biases.
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Then the US is no different than Russia right now.
 
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luthervol said:
I work off of this premise:
Not invading sovereign countries and committing war crimes = good
Invading sovereign countries and committing war crimes = bad

You tend to overcomplicate it in your attempt to support your biases.
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Seems pretty straightforward.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Viktor Orban is a problem.
Hungary's Orbán "Answers" Biden Troop Hosting Request: Flies To Moscow For Marathon Meeting With Putin | ZeroHedge

Last week the Biden administration approached Hungary to formally request that it host a temporary deployment of US forces aimed at Russia, amid the ongoing Ukraine crisis which has resulted in a flurry of diplomatic activity and ratcheting accusations. The country's Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto confirmed days ago it had "received an American request about temporary deployment of troops."

It appears the White House has received its answer from the 'wayward' NATO-member ally, as Viktor Orban was in Moscow on Tuesday where he met with Russian President Vladimir Putin. They greeted each other as old friends and settled in for a marathon meeting, which the Kremlin said lasted nearly five hours.
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Uhh ohh...
'The House That Davos Built' Quakes As PM Orban Claims "Great Victory" In Hungary Election | ZeroHedge
"We have won a great victory -- a victory so great you can perhaps see it from the moon and certainly from Brussels".
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luthervol said:
Which foreign country are we invading and what war crimes are we committing?
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We are occupying NE Syria right now, we are supporting and arming the KSA in their actions in Yemen, and we just discovered bio labs in Ukraine after this invasion.

That's just off the top of my head.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
We are occupying NE Syria right now, we are supporting and arming the KSA in their actions in Yemen, and we just discovered bio labs in Ukraine after this invasion.

That's just off the top of my head.
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So in other words we are not invading any sovereign nation or committing war crimes.
Thanks for clearing that up.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Certainly. No one has said it is efficient, or cheap. But it is unlike anything else.

Others are lining up to buy it.
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To me with the F-35 it's a lot like Reagan's "trust but verify", and hopefully we'll never get to the real verify stage. My brother was an F-15C pilot when he retired from the AF, and he told me about a mock engagement between one or a pair of F-22s and multiple F-15s. The F-22s shot down all the F-15s (simulated), and the F-15s never saw the F-22s. I've also read the F-22 targeting abilities are much more simple for the pilot. Assuming the newer F-35 maintains that advantage; it should work out as planned. I'm still not sold on the close air support capability - maybe a standoff approach with precision munitions will work - again, we'll see.

The Navy already has problems with F-35 skin corrosion; it's hard to say what the AF would face working out of improvised facilities. Countermeasures like stealth are always just a step ahead of the guys who figure out a new means to detect what current systems can't find.
 
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volgr said:
De-Nazified, de-militarized and in the process of reclaiming Russian lands...while also winning the economic war...to the point the US Sec of St has come out and admitted they would lift sanctions....

Hey, look, I enjoy a good troll...but to try and turn all that into a win for the US...is embarrassing, but you're the they/them for the job.
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I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for you.
 
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I can confirm your brother's story. I was told the same. The F-22 are our air superiority. They are our "dog fighters". I imagine they have been given similar tech upgrades as the others. There are allegedly things about the f-22 that are illegal for f-22 pilots to divulge. We really don't know its full capability. The f-35 is an "all around" workhorse that excelles at staying stealthy, and makes an excellent low level hit and run. swoops in and delivers a punch IMO.
 
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[QUOTE="AM64, post: 21110924, member: 68058"he told me about a mock engagement between one or a pair of F-22s and multiple F-15s. The F-22s shot down all the F-15s (simulated), and the F-15s never saw the F-22s. I've also read the F-22 targeting abilities are much more simple for the pilot. Assuming the newer F-35 maintains that advantage; it should work out as planned. I'm still not sold on the close air support capability - maybe a standoff approach with precision munitions will work - again, we'll see.
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I can confirm your brother's story. I was told the same. The F-22 are our air superiority. They are our "dog fighters". I imagine they have been given similar tech upgrades as the others. There are allegedly things about the f-22 that are illegal for f-22 pilots to divulge. We really don't know its full capability. The f-35 is an "all around" workhorse that excelles at staying stealthy, and makes an excellent low level hit and run. swoops in and delivers a punch IMO.[/QUOTE]

For years our pilots have found that the guns the designers saw as unnecessary in new planes were necessary, but a gun on a stealth fighter does amaze me. I guess stealth defeats radar guided anti-aircraft guns; but still when within gun range, stealth doesn't mean much to the eye. It's almost like the F-35 was designed by a committee making it up as they went along rather than starting with a solid purpose and a plan. We've known since the advent of jet aircraft that they are very vulnerable to ground fire, and the F-35 isn't armored like the A-10, so you have to hope the concept for the gun isn't close air support. There's just a lot that seems conceptually weird to me.
 
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AM64 said:
To me with the F-35 it's a lot like Reagan's "trust but verify", and hopefully we'll never get to the real verify stage. My brother was an F-15C pilot when he retired from the AF, and he told me about a mock engagement between one or a pair of F-22s and multiple F-15s. The F-22s shot down all the F-15s (simulated), and the F-15s never saw the F-22s. I've also read the F-22 targeting abilities are much more simple for the pilot. Assuming the newer F-35 maintains that advantage; it should work out as planned. I'm still not sold on the close air support capability - maybe a standoff approach with precision munitions will work - again, we'll see.

The Navy already has problems with F-35 skin corrosion; it's hard to say what the AF would face working out of improvised facilities. Countermeasures like stealth are always just a step ahead of the guys who figure out a new means to detect what current systems can't find.
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Your brother’s F-15C was a true air superiority fighter, like the F-22.

The F-35 is not that, and would not be able to recreate the F-22 performance. It would have a time with the F-15C’s if spotted.
 
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LouderVol said:
Lol. Why would information about Russian atrocities come out while the Russians controlled the area? It makes sense that it's not found out about until after they are gone.
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The Azov Battalion is @Rasputin_Vol 's Russian baba yaga.

They are the beginning and end of all the Ukrainian/Russian atrocities.
 
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Matt2496 said:
I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for you.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, this "whatabout" nonsense allows you guys to dodge subjects and throw a yellow flag, rather than address the topic.

Clever cop out tactic.

I understand.
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You don't understand why this is a logical fallacy? Again, you keep evoking red herrings because you think it takes the heat off of your need to defend our arguments, and instead you hope to shift the focus back on to the person making the criticism.

It's been explained to you, but like the reality of what's happening in Ukraine - you choose to ignore it.

Stop answering criticism with criticism and you'll stop getting mocked. As much as you want it to be an effective form of deflection, it's not.
 
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Orangeburst said:
You did realize they were Obama's best buds and cut from the same ideological cloth?
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As a trump fan, you may want to sit out this round of stone chucking.

Or at least wait until the heat wears off of him asking Putin to dig up dirt on a sitting US president instead of imploring him to stop the war.
 
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What we know about the f-22 is that they are the stealthiest air craft in the sky. They have bidirectional engines (believe me, when these things take to the sky you notice), and they have a "see first, shoot first" emphasis. Their goal is to take you out first. It uses the latest technologies to achieve these things. I believe it has a smaller cannon, but my guess is you do NOT want to be on the recieving end of that thing (probably HUD controlled). It's ready to deliver the most advanced AMRAAMS.
 
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