War in Ukraine

[Ulysees E. McGill]

It's making the rounds now. We don't know if its real, and it would probably be a thermobaric.

OMG...that is exactly what that is..God help those poor people..

 

[KB5252]

Putin is basically daring other countries to intervene, threatening to resort to nukes. He has to know that no one wins if nukes come into play. His country will not survive. In some ways, I wish someone would call his bluff, in others, I of course worry he just might be serious. But I do think he's bluffing, feigning strength for his people. The last thing he wants is to look weak.

I'm not sure what to make of this, his long term position in Russia and Europe is becoming a little more untenable every day. Public opinion of him is very low and more of his subjects are becoming emboldened to speak out. I think there's no way out for him at this point.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I think it gives Putin an excuse to say we are interfering in military activities. I realize that we are not actualy doing so and that it would be a lie to construe it as such, but that is Putin now, isn't it? I just don;t think now is the time to even give him an angle to claim that.

Bullcrap..you can't stop people from risking their lives for the Ukrainian people if they want.

 

[Weezer]

How so? I'm all for the Ukrainians, have been amazed at their resilience and tenacity, and proud of the reactions from people around the globe.
What I find pathetic is that Fox, during this time of unity and almost universal condemnation of Putin, would report about a poll that claims 59% of Americans blame Putin's invasion on Biden.

That is simply sad and pathetic and so many levels. Take a step back and actually think about that.

No different than when the left was blaming COVID deaths on Trump. But you had no problem with that.

 

[BreatheUT]

This aged like milk:

"It’s going to take a hell of a lot of work to make up for all the damage he’s done internationally and nationally," Biden said. "His network of thugs and co-conspirators are going to continue to try to undermine our democracy in the meantime." Imagine what he can do in another year," "Imagine what can happen to Ukraine."

-Biden, 2019

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[Ulysees E. McGill]

I think it gives Putin an excuse to say we are interfering in military activities. I realize that we are not actualy doing so and that it would be a lie to construe it as such, but that is Putin now, isn't it? I just don;t think now s the time to even give him an angle to claim that.

Also..if he is looking for an "angle" he will just make one up.

 

[Pacer92]

It's making the rounds now. We don't know if its real, and it would probably be a thermobaric.

Iskander?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I’ve been called a Putin apologist, amongst many other things in these Ukrainian threads. There is/was a lot of behind the scene things that most don’t see through MSM that justified a Putin rebuke..

However, speaking for myself...this isn’t justified. Recognizing the oblasts in Eastern Ukraine, arming them in a geopolitical proxy war against the west in defense is one thing....totally razing the whole country is another. Totally unjustified...

Not justified, but it was a gamble that the West and NATO were willing to take rather than move to a more reasonable solution about the status of Ukraine. Ukraine is the one suffering and dealing with these geopolitical games, not any other NATO nation. They don't care about collateral damage, they just want their agenda achieved.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

 

[rjd970]

Not justified, but it was a gamble that the West and NATO were willing to take rather than move to a more reasonable solution about the status of Ukraine. Ukraine is the one suffering and dealing with these geopolitical games, not any other NATO nation. They don't care about collateral damage, they just want their agenda achieved.

At the end of the day this wouldn’t be happening if Ukraine was in NATO and all of this is one of the reasons they wanted in.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Iskander?

IDK, but Putin said flat out he would drop a FOAB on them, and the US was warning everyone he might do it. I'm seeing images of whole towns wiped. Noone can say whats real rn with the info wars, but it does appear that way, and cnn is saying 400 dead civilians. Feel like hitting the bottle yet? because I havent been able to stop.

 

[BreatheUT]

It would be stupid on our parts and potentially seen as aggression.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

It's making the rounds now. We don't know if its real, and it would probably be a thermobaric.

Looks like some Ukrainian rednecks got their hands on a bunch of tannerite.

 

[lawgator1]

I dont find it terribly unlikely that there have been special forces out of uniform there already.

Probably so, but its not advertised such that Putin can point to it in the media and claim the US is involved. These guys are doing just that.

Bullcrap..you can't stop people from risking their lives for the Ukrainian people if they want.

Again, not the point. If they want to they can. Its the putting it out there for Putin to use that causes the problem.

 

[BreatheUT]

IDK, but Putin said flat out he would drop a FOAB on them, and the US was warning everyone he might do it. I'm seeing images of whole towns wiped. Noone can say whats real rn with the info wars, but it does appear that way, and cnn is saying 400 dead civilians. Feel like hitting the bottle yet? because I havent been able to stop.

You gotta be pretty stupid to hit the bottle over Ukraine and Russia but you seem to operate off feelings.

 

[Matt2496]

Edit: Not actually a thermobaric weapon

 

[Paper_Towel]

My hero

 

[AM64]

Ukraine is showing more resolve than any other NATO nation in recent memory, but they set themselves up to have their country devastated when there was a pathway for peace available that could have been achieved long ago.

Ukraine and a lot of other countries - many in eastern Europe were forcibly made part of the Russian owned and operated Soviet Union. They finally got away. Who could blame them for joining a self defense organization that would be no threat to Russia unless Russia decides to try and get the old gang back together ... forcibly again. Right now we should be working hard to form a new version of NATO in the Pacific to counter China. Don't want trouble with the neighbors - then don't threaten and bully your neighbors. And BTW there is always the wise old saying that "fences make good neighbors". NATO didn't threaten Russia when NATO members decided to go stupid and put all their eggs in the Russian energy basket; until Russia decided to invade a sovereign country, NATO hasn't stopped any member country from trade with Russia.

 

[luthervol]

No different than when the left was blaming COVID deaths on Trump. But you had no problem with that.

Sometimes you are a little overzealous in your desire to paint both sides as equal - sometimes they are, sometimes they are close, sometimes they are not close at all...............continuum.
This is a case when the two aren't really the least bit comparable.
Nobody on the left blamed COVID on Trump. They may have questioned and criticized his response - but they didn't blame it on him.

 

[825VOL]

Not justified, but it was a gamble that the West and NATO were willing to take rather than move to a more reasonable solution about the status of Ukraine. Ukraine is the one suffering and dealing with these geopolitical games, not any other NATO nation. They don't care about collateral damage, they just want their agenda achieved.

Reasonable? I am not sure how much more reasonable the West and Nato could have been. They stood by as Russia annexed Crimea and stood by as Russia invaded regions within Ukraine and setup insurgencies. They stood by as Russia invaded parts of Georgia. What were they supposed to do, give him an independent country and hope that finally made him feel "safe"?

 

[RDU VOL#14]

It's making the rounds now. We don't know if its real, and it would probably be a thermobaric.

Seeing reports that this was actually video of an ammo dump from the first night.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

At the end of the day this wouldn’t be happening if Ukraine was in NATO and all of this is one of the reasons they wanted in.

It wasn't going in that direction until the coup in 2014...

The US has played a hand in getting us to this point, but now the leadership here can hide their hands and draw a new timeline and a new narrative about how all of this began.

Also, the guy that botched the Afghanistan withdrawal is now going to be empowered and try to use this as a way to salvage midterms... Trump and GOP are Russia lovers and what not. That will pull some moderates.

 

[headhunter15]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Reasonable? I am not sure how much more reasonable the West and Nato could have been. They stood by as Russia annexed Crimea and stood by as Russia invaded regions within Ukraine and setup insurgencies. They stood by as Russia invaded parts of Georgia. What were they supposed to do, give him an independent country and hope that finally made him feel "safe"?

Why do you ignore the catalyst for the Crimea annexation? The US State Department destabilized Ukraine in their coup no differently than we did in Libya.

At least tell the complete story.

 

[AM64]

Or, just remained neutral militarily but open for commerce with everyone free of Western limitations and sanctions... and also free of Western vultures coming in and robbing them blind.

Isn't NATO basically neutral militarily unless somebody threatens a member? I know I'm totally stunned by all the NATO forces pouring across the Ukrainian border to annex a country before the Russians can gobble it up.