War in Ukraine

[NorthDallas40]

Would you take up arms if this occurred in America?

She’d sic her cats on them.

 

[Dirty Vol]

Hypothetical.

As the losses mount and the bodies start stacking for Russia and Ukraine keeps fighting with resolve does madvlad drop the big one on them?

Do we then get involved?

 

[Vol737]

The problem with China is that they own us and much of the world. They own a huge percentage of our debt and they manufacture a huge percentage of what we use in our daily lives. Not something we could reverse in a standoff with China. If the pandemic taught us anything is that we need to at least start to reverse that.

The largest holder of US debt is US citizens (whether we want it or not). Yes China holds a chunk but like they always say you owe the bank $10,000 you have a problem you owe them $1,000,000 the bank has a problem.

Agreed. There is nothing standing in the way of the US reversing this trend over time, except our own govt. It won’t need to take a standoff with China (fruitless and dangerous). It will just, for once, require playing the long game better than they do without boasting of our intentions. Focus on massive debt reduction, create partnerships with other countries that view China/trade/international security policy similarly and develop economic/tax/policy strategy that compels US mfg to gtfo of China.

 

[Pacer92]

Ummmmn… that was still an invasion?

Like I said...invading Georgia isn’t comparable to Ukraine. Georgian military strength was about 25k total personnel. That’s my point.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Hypothetical.

As the losses mount and the bodies start stacking for Russia and Ukraine keeps fighting with resolve does madvlad drop the big one on them?

Do we then get involved?

We have put Aegis cruisers with the ICBM interceptor version of SM-3 in the Black Sea. If we detect an ICBM launch we will shoot it down I have no doubt.

 

[Weezer]

She’d sic her cats on them.

They're trained assassins.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Like I said...invading Georgia isn’t comparable to Ukraine. Georgian military strength was about 25k total personnel. That’s my point.

I guess I’d kinda not parse current abhorrent behavior on previous bully abhorrent behavior is mine. That’s why he rolled up 190k this time.

 

[Weezer]

Hypothetical.

As the losses mount and the bodies start stacking for Russia and Ukraine keeps fighting with resolve does madvlad drop the big one on them?

Do we then get involved?

By "big one" do you mean a nuke? No way the drop a nuke on their next-door neighbor.

 

[85SugarVol]

Too slow. What Zelensky needs is C-17s landing in Poland around the clock and offloading ammunition, missiles and launchers, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and attack helicopters

 

[Orangeburst]

I didnt think he would invade..thought it posturing for position, unless he was mad. But I did think that if he did, it would very problematic and severely consequential. Which is the past that makes no sense. Maybe those reports of his mental condition are true.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Agreed. There is nothing standing in the way of the US reversing this trend over time, except our own govt. It won’t need to take a standoff with China (fruitless and dangerous). It will just, for once, require playing the long game better than they do without boasting of our intentions. Focus on massive debt reduction, create partnerships with other countries that view China/trade/international security policy similarly and develop economic/tax/policy strategy that compels US mfg to gtfo of China.

And bring some of that manufacturing home. We have to make it a level playing field though. We can compete with China but we can't when government hamstrings industry with overbearing regulations. China plays by a different set of rules.

 

[Weezer]

We have put Aegis cruisers with the ICBM interceptor version of SM-3 in the Black Sea. If we detect an ICBM launch we will shoot it down I have no doubt.

I can't imagine a nuke is even on the table. Russia would experience fall-out as well, not to mention they have no idea what kind of hell it could release from Chernobyl.

 

[Weezer]

And bring some of that manufacturing home. We have to make it a level playing field though. We can compete with China but we can't when government hamstrings industry with overbearing regulations. China plays by a different set of rules.

It's all about money. China is cheap labor, and Americans want a fair wage. Corporations will always take short cuts in chase of that all-mighty dollar.

 

[Pacer92]

I guess I’d kinda not parse current abhorrent behavior on previous bully abhorrent behavior is mine. That’s why he rolled up 190k this time.

Bully behavior or 190k...I certainly didn’t expect to see what I’m seeing...Kiev being pounded, civilians taking up arms a la 1945 Berlin.

If he invaded, I strictly thought it would be to push Ukraine out of the Donbass.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

The scary thing is that if he realizes that and feels backed into a corner, he could resort to drastic measures.

That’s my biggest fear. That’s why someone in his inner circle needs to do the world a favor and put him down .

 

[InVOLuntary]

It's all about money. China is cheap labor, and Americans want a fair wage. Corporations will always take short cuts in chase of that all-mighty dollar.

It has more to do with regulation. Sure, labor play a part but when they can literally dump anything they want in a river, no Osha, virtually no environmental regulations, that is a huge savings. I'm not saying we allow that kind of thing but we should tariff anything that comes from China to offset the cost of that regulation. We're never going to compete with China unless we can somehow level the playing field.

 

[BreatheUT]

Man, these guys really didn't get the Ted Cruz Cancun memo.

Especially since then Biden administration was offering Zelensky to flee for his life and abandon Ukraine like Afghanistan's leader did after they lined him with cash.

 

[85SugarVol]

I like the idea of some badass out there wrecking Russian planes, but it seems a bit far-fetched. My guess is that this is a tall tale started to give the resistance hope.

Still, it's a cool shirt.

I’m gonna choose to Believe…

‘The Ghost of Kyiv’ is the first urban legend of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine

 

[headhunter15]

That’s my biggest fear. That’s why someone in his inner circle needs to do the world a favor and put him down .

I’d say the CIA would love a crack at Putin. You know the CIA and military probably have multiple assassination plots for Putin.

 

[LittleVol]

I seriously cannot believe any one would think there was ever going to be a different outcome than what we are looking at right now. And hopefully this is the final straw that gets that MFer a private room on the island of Elba for eternity.

WHAT is happening?

Where are you all getting this information??
I've been watching BBC, AL Jazeera', Gravitas and all the Ameican News companies and I'm not getting anything really definitive.

I had no idea Russia was struggling with this...

 

[Vol737]

It's all about money. China is cheap labor, and Americans want a fair wage. Corporations will always take short cuts in chase of that all-mighty dollar.

Totally understand and it’s been that way for a long time now. There’s cheap(ish) labor elsewhere, though, that would be better partners for the US. The US corporations in China need not think the CCP won’t “Jack Ma” their operations in China to the extent they can. They’re already very contentious to deal with. Developing a different strategy that gives US corporations a good reason to get out is imperative.

 

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[Weezy]

I can't imagine a nuke is even on the table. Russia would experience fall-out as well, not to mention they have no idea what kind of hell it could release from Chernobyl.

The remaining Chernobyl units have been down for 20 years. When it originally melted down, it killed probably 200 people, less than 1000. Any mentions of Chernobyl by the media is fear mongering. There's much bigger threats to life than Chernobyl right now.

It's why I can't help but be skeptical about any reporting coming from Ukraine. My gut tells me this will not end well for Ukraine. We are only a few days in, and not every attack is shock and awe or blitzkrieg. They could just be probing with different lines to find out where they will be most successful, and to do the least damage for a long occupation.

 

[Pacer92]

 

[NorthDallas40]

WHAT is happening?

Where are you all getting this information??
I've been watching BBC, AL Jazeera', Gravitas and all the Ameican News companies and I'm not getting anything really definitive.

I had no idea Russia was struggling with this...

I didn’t post any real info in that link I just expressed my opinion I hope this is the final straw that ends that MFer just like Europe finally did with Napoleon thus my Elba reference