War in Ukraine

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tvolsfan said:
I've ignored the overwhelming majority of the Biden bashing. Sorry, but you're picking for a fight, and you're contributing nothing.
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Just catching up reading the thread today...all likes for you with the Trump bashing BB posts.
So yea...even after I concurred, calling you out for hypocrisy
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
With war protests going on, what would happen if Putin taken out? Would Russie get more desperate or stand down? Im thinking that may be the move.
Send in seal team 6 with a group from Ukraine and get it done.
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Or, better yet, that band of heathens that executed the swift operation to take down our nation's Capitol a year ago.
 
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tvolsfan said:
More like you're trying to start a new argument because you clearly didn't like the way the one yesterday ended.
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Listen..I conceded to stop, yet your brethren hasn't and you just throw out likes like candy. Hypocrite. Now I am doubling down.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Their air power is insignificant compared to the US and their armor is underwhelming to say the least. The T-72 is a good tank for when it was built but the US tore through the T-72 in Iraq (twice) like it was a WW1 era tank. I realize it has been upgraded but it would get shellacked by the M1A2, just an observation on my part nothing more. Ukraine will have to fight a guerilla war which is what this was always going to have to be, and they will.
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We can brag all we want about 70 tons of Steel and Sex Appeal, but at the end of the day what makes that tank superior to the one down-range is the crew and their training. I didn't go through Russian tank crewman training, but I have gone through 19K OSUT. My training in 22 weeks from my Drill Sergeants and Instructors give me the upmost confidence in our superiority in that department.

The tank that sends the first round down-range wins the engagement 80% of the time. Takes a combination of a little luck and perfect practice.
 
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Paper_Towel said:
We can brag all we want about 70 tons of Steel and Sex Appeal, but at the end of the day what makes that tank superior to the one down-range is the crew and their training. I didn't go through Russian tank crewman training, but I have gone through 19K OSUT. My training in 22 weeks from my Drill Sergeants and Instructors give me the upmost confidence in our superiority in that department.

The tank that sends the first round down-range wins the engagement 80% of the time. Takes a combination of a little luck and perfect practice.
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Just like stealth aircraft...first look, first shot, first kill
 
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On the issue of how this would have unfolded under Trump rather than Biden, that is a very interesting issue. I admit that the worry that this will lead to a broader confrontation and suck the US into the fray is absolutely legitimate. I completely agree and have the same worry.

And yes you can say that is more likely under Biden than under Trump. I think that is a fair point given Trump's at least quasi-isolationist positions and his insistence we not get involved in wars that, for lack of a better phrase, don't concern us.

The flip side of that is that you have to have a considered discussion of whether this concerns us. If Russia attacked the UK you'd have to say it concerns us. If they attacked France or Germany, same though there'd be more dissent certainly as our need to protect them versus the UK with whom we have at leats a culturally closer identity.

And so the question then becomes, if Trump would not be as quick to get into a confrontation as Biden, isn't it also true that such would embolden Putin more, and perhaps make it more likely that Putin would be aggressive, even more so than he is now?

That's the hard part for any President: portray enough strength to dissuade Russia and Putin from engaging in military adventurism, but not do so in a way that leads to a calamitous escalation of tensions. Very difficult line to walk, be it Biden, Trump, Republican, or Democrat.
 
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In Continuation of Obama Legacy, Biden Presides Over Russian Invasion of Ukraine

Trump right again: 'Putin is playing Biden like a drum.'

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Andrew Stiles • February 24, 2022 1:20 pm

President Joe Biden on Thursday presided over the invasion of Ukraine by Russian forces. The failure to deter Vladimir Putin's aggression marks a continuation of Barack Obama's failed foreign policy and legacy of American weakness. It is a decisive break from Donald Trump's successful policy of powerful American strength.

Putin announced a "special military operation" in Ukraine at around 10 p.m. Eastern Time, well past Biden's bedtime. Military operations were already underway. It is the second time in eight years that Russia has invaded Ukraine on a Democratic president's watch. This violation of Ukrainian sovereignty was even more blatant than the incursion that occurred under Obama in early 2014, when unmarked Russian forces entered Ukraine and facilitated the annexation of Crimea.


Obama's response to Russia's actions was one of extraordinary weakness. "Over the last several days, we've continued to be deeply concerned by events in Ukraine," the failed president told reporters in March 2014. "Russia must know that further escalation will only isolate it further from the international community." Putin was not deterred.

Years earlier, Obama had delighted journalists by mocking Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney for naming Russia as America's top geopolitical foe. "The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back," Obama zinged. The American press went wild, applauding the president's sick burn. The New York Times editorial board called Romney's comments "reckless and unworthy of a major presidential contender."

A month later, Obama issued his infamous warning to President Bashar al-Assad during the Syrian civil war. The use of chemical weapons against the Syrian population, Obama said, was a "red line" that would elicit a forceful American response. Assad was not deterred, either. With Putin's help, the Syrian army deployed sarin gas against civilians on multiple occasions. Obama responded by insisting that he "didn't set a red line" regarding the use of chemical weapons.

In Continuation of Obama Legacy, Biden Presides Over Russian Invasion of Ukraine - Washington Free Beacon
 
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