War in Ukraine

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Franklin Pierce said:
Liberals Attack Evangelical Pastor Franklin Graham For Praying For Putin, That War ‘Could Be Avoided At All Cost’

Feb 19, 2022 DailyWire.com

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Liberals on Twitter attacked prominent evangelist Franklin Graham after he asked his followers to pray that war between Russia and Ukraine would be avoided.

“Pray for President Putin today. This may sound like a strange request, but we need to pray that God would work in his heart so that war could be avoided at all cost,” Graham wrote. “May God give wisdom to the leaders involved in these talks & negotiations, as well as those advising them.”
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Of course they did. Triggered over everything.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He believes that the US/NATO want to move in military assets to Ukraine and be a threat to Russia. And the reason why he believes that is because after the fall of the Soviet Union, instead of NATO getting smaller or disbanding, NATO moved closer to Russia's doorstep.
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Tic
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Liberals Attack Evangelical Pastor Franklin Graham For Praying For Putin, That War ‘Could Be Avoided At All Cost’

Feb 19, 2022 DailyWire.com

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Liberals on Twitter attacked prominent evangelist Franklin Graham after he asked his followers to pray that war between Russia and Ukraine would be avoided.

“Pray for President Putin today. This may sound like a strange request, but we need to pray that God would work in his heart so that war could be avoided at all cost,” Graham wrote. “May God give wisdom to the leaders involved in these talks & negotiations, as well as those advising them.”
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Did all Liberals attack him? Or was everyone who attacked him a Liberal? I suspect the answer is NO and NO.
The headline wants you to think Liberals are up in arms over this. Truth is not many Liberals will ever be aware of of it and could care less who anyone prays for.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Liberals Attack Evangelical Pastor Franklin Graham For Praying For Putin, That War ‘Could Be Avoided At All Cost’

Feb 19, 2022 DailyWire.com

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Liberals on Twitter attacked prominent evangelist Franklin Graham after he asked his followers to pray that war between Russia and Ukraine would be avoided.

“Pray for President Putin today. This may sound like a strange request, but we need to pray that God would work in his heart so that war could be avoided at all cost,” Graham wrote. “May God give wisdom to the leaders involved in these talks & negotiations, as well as those advising them.”
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Liberals are mostly, but not exclusively, Godless heathens. We should pray for all of them too. The fact that I enjoy that it pisses them off is just a bonus for which I will ask for forgiveness from God.
 
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Germany's Spiegel Asks "Is Vladimir Putin Right?" Over NATO Expansion | ZeroHedge

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What's more, US government documents declassified in 2017 appear to confirm that assurances were given.
Luckily, there are plenty of documents available from the various countries that took part in the talks, including memos from conversations, negotiation transcripts and reports. According to those documents, the U.S., the UK and Germany signaled to the Kremlin that a NATO membership of countries like Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic was out of the question. In March 1991, British Prime Minister John Major promised during a visit to Moscow that "nothing of the sort will happen." Yeltsin expressed significant displeasure when the step was ultimately taken. He gave his approval for NATO’s eastward expansion in 1997, but complained that he was only doing so because the West had forced him to. -Spiegel​
Der Spiegel also published a document on Friday from March 1991 which shows US, French, UK and German officials discussing the pledge not to expand to Poland and beyond. The document contains multiple references to "2+4" talks regarding German unification - which makes clear that NATO would not expand east of Germany.

The document was found in the UK National Archives by Boston University political science professor, Josh Shifrinson.

 
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DuckInAPen said:
We have fellow citizens who have volunteered their lives to defend America. We have the utmost obligation to them not to send them into harm's way without urgent need. The calculus should be no different than if we had an army of conscripts.
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Our military should never have limitations put on their use. It is to be used anytime it is needed to fulfill our needs. People don’t need to volunteer for a military expecting it will only be used when it is popular.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Putin is the Russian leader. You also have to put his words into the proper context. He did say the worst thing to happen to Russia was the breaking up of the Soviet Union. But that was said because he wanted to re-establish Communist rule or expand into these other areas. It was the realization that economically and militarily, Russia would be in a far better place. They would not suffer from the detrimental consequences of Western sanctions as much if they had more trading partners within their realm and they (meaning the Russian heartland) would have been able to maintain buffer states between it and Western Europe/NATO.
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The Russian people will always suffer as long as Putin and his ilk run the show. There isn’t enough country’s for him to invade, to fix that.
 
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allvol123 said:
Our military should never have limitations put on their use.
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I'll let you think about that and give you an opportunity to retract that.

allvol123 said:
It is to be used anytime it is needed to fulfill our needs.
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Whose needs? My needs? Main Street America's needs? Or some larger political and corporate needs?

allvol123 said:
People don’t need to volunteer for a military expecting it will only be used when it is popular.
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Sadly, we have been conditioned to believe that our military is quite often engaged in unpopular activity. It has been normalized. That should be a concern to you.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'll let you think about that and give you an opportunity to retract that.


Whose needs? My needs? Main Street America's needs? Or some larger political and corporate needs?


Sadly, we have been conditioned to believe that our military is quite often engaged in unpopular activity. It has been normalized. That should be a concern to you.
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No retraction. We should never give an adversary any idea that we are willing to restrain ourselves. None of their business and if they need it to feel better, too effing bad.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Clearly you both missed the point. Though I think ras may have missed on purpose.
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I don't think you had a point. Clearly we weren't going to fight the Soviet Union to free the territory they had occupied during WW2.

Why should we now challenge Russia if they decide to retake Ukraine? It is just a poor country afterall.
 
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