War in Ukraine

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volfanhill said:
We can with weapons. I would hope we all draw the line with troops
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Why on earth should we even waste tax dollars doing that?

I get that it's really peanuts compared to other things, but this kind of stuff is just pointless for us to be involved in.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I really don't care if anyone does. The US has no reason to be involved. None.
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It’s baffling Europe’s complete failure throughout history to mitigate issues effectively in their region. And to think, they look down their noses at us? They gotta take off the training wheels we put on them decades ago and handle this.
 
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Vol737 said:
It’s baffling Europe’s complete failure throughout history to mitigate issues effectively in their region. And to think, they look down their noses at us? They gotta take off the training wheels we put on them decades ago and handle this.
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One horrible thought to me is Anthony Blinkin...a Eurocentric proponent that thinks America needs to be like Europe. And lost in all tis is America's formation evolved from the corruption of the old colonial empires.
 
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Orangeburst said:
One horrible thought to me is Anthony Blinkin...a Eurocentric proponent that thinks America needs to be like Europe. And lost in all tis is America's formation evolved from the corruption of the old colonial empires.
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I love going to Europe. It is amazing in so many ways, but I always come home thinking I’m glad we’re not Europe…yet. Actually, we’re not even ourselves anymore.
 
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Vol737 said:
It’s baffling Europe’s complete failure throughout history to mitigate issues effectively in their region. And to think, they look down their noses at us? They gotta take off the training wheels we put on them decades ago and handle this.
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That is really not a very fair analysis. Europe is a continent full of multiple historical, rival powers, while the United States is pretty much alone in its entire hemisphere as a power. If USA was surrounded by nations equal to it in military power status that have a history of imperialism/nationalism, I think we would have tons of problems too.
 
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Vol737 said:
It’s baffling Europe’s complete failure throughout history to mitigate issues effectively in their region. And to think, they look down their noses at us? They gotta take off the training wheels we put on them decades ago and handle this.
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Agreed. In addition, if these numbskulls in the administration wouldn't look like total idiots with the way they've handled the country and foreign policy then past year I think Putin thinks twice. He's not afraid of these clowns. He believes he has a window to act, and if he doesn't then his time will have passed.
 
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volbound1700 said:
That is really not a very fair analysis. Europe is a continent full of multiple historical, rival powers, while the United States is pretty much alone in its entire hemisphere as a power. If USA was surrounded by nations equal to it in military power status that have a history of imperialism/nationalism, I think we would have tons of problems too.
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Interesting, but the format of the EU was to dispel the old power conflicts, Check this out..

Invite Russia to join NATO

As we see within our own state to state conflicts, being a member doesn't necessarily dissipate dispute. And we have seen via Brexit what happens once one wants to leave the "union"
 
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volbound1700 said:
That is really not a very fair analysis. Europe is a continent full of multiple historical, rival powers, while the United States is pretty much alone in its entire hemisphere as a power. If USA was surrounded by nations equal to it in military power status that have a history of imperialism/nationalism, I think we would have tons of problems too.
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The problem in modern times is that Europe is leaning on the US for defense. Germany's military, for example- the "most powerful in Europe"- has had hilarious issues with underfunding, forcing them to do drills and war games with wooden guns and severely limiting their live fire exercises.

For our part, the US has been willing to oblige and put people all over the damn world. That mess needs to end.
 
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ButchPlz said:
The problem in modern times is that Europe is leaning on the US for defense. Germany's military, for example- the "most powerful in Europe"- has had hilarious issues with underfunding, forcing them to do drills and war games with wooden guns and severely limiting their live fire exercises.

For our part, the US has been willing to oblige and put people all over the damn world. That mess needs to end.
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Exactly what Trump said and even after the Germans committed themselves to 2% GDP. well before his Presidency. The liberal dumbasses ran with Trump is destroying NATO.
 
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Maybe during the Cold War the German military was the best in Europe but not anymore. The French, I would argue, have the best European military and are actually willing and able to use it. In fact with how small the British military is now, Paris should be our primary security partner in Europe but I'm not sure if we'll ever abandon the Special Relationship.
 
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hog88 said:
You have an entirely to high of an opinion of the Russian military.
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You could be right and I might have too low opinion of Ukraine's forces. I don't really have any way of knowing. Either way I don't expect the invasion phase to last very long. I have however seen first hand how effective guerrilla warfare can be on ones own turf against a superior force. I believe they will have to transition to that type warfare sooner rather than later if they want to keep their country.
 
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ButchPlz said:
The problem in modern times is that Europe is leaning on the US for defense. Germany's military, for example- the "most powerful in Europe"- has had hilarious issues with underfunding, forcing them to do drills and war games with wooden guns and severely limiting their live fire exercises.

For our part, the US has been willing to oblige and put people all over the damn world. That mess needs to end.
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The gene pool in Europe has been decimated throughout the past 2 centuries. With all of the wars, and people immigrating to the Americas they have been left with the weakest of males to propagate. In other words a continent of Luthers.
 
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