President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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luthervol said:
Nope. It was about how Trump's personality made you feel.
But no point in us continuing to go back and forth - we simply disagree.
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The difference is that we actually voted for Trump and know many other people that voted for Trump. We know why he received votes. You're clueless, as usual. Since you can't comprehend why everyone doesn't support the leftist socialist agenda, you do what most liberals do. You attribute it to racism and/or some deep love of Trump. In reality, it is an outright rejection of liberal socialist ideas and support of specific conservative, America-first policies.
 
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RavinDave said:
We live in Conroe or at least my wife does. (I kinda live at my warehouse these days). 50,000 reportedly turned out for his rally last night. The liberal Houston Chronicle said the crowd was “mostly but not exclusively white” as if we didn’t know. I would hope he doesn’t run again but I too would vote for him again.
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If the GOP dredges up another of it's recent losers - like Romney, I'd hope Trump would step in and give them the opportunity for snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. It's been appalling the garbage that both parties have been trotting out recently. Both parties should be looking for quality non-politicians, but they won't because those are the kind of people they can't control.
 
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luthervol said:
That's absolutely absurd. I've said gerrymandering was wrong for decades, regardless of who benefits. It's a stupid system that should be changed. I don't know how anyone can argue against that.

edit..........It just dawned on me.....you actually think you made some type of insightful point with that New York post...lol...
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So how exactly to you apportion lets say Atlanta? A dem blob(s) in the middle with clusters around that might be a lot more conservative? A pie that mixes some inner with outer areas - perhaps resulting in a different political outcome? I know here in the Chattanooga area there was great care in dividing stuff up so that inner city districts were insured to have black candidates who were shoo ins for city positions - none of this stuff about suburban areas diluting the racial mix. That's gerrymandering, too; right? So you could have not just gerrymandering by parties, you could have it by race - which probably leads to the same outcome - just justified/legitimized a bit differently.
 
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Vol423 said:
Lol. The fraudulent schemes to oust him started before he even assumed office, so everyone knows that’s just another in a long succession of liberal, BS lies.
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Maybe the biggest irony in all this is the dem outrage over claims made against Trump about money made in foreign investments made while in business ... had to be shady, but neglecting the biden family deals with foreign countries because joe was so well politically connected. Does anybody actually think Hunter and the other family members would be of interest without the connection?

It should be cleaned up all across the political spectrum (or continuum), but it won't be because legislators are doing so well. Funny how they write laws that snag the little people for insider trading, bribery, corrupt business dealings ... trading on positions in general, but exempt themselves.
 
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luthervol said:
lol.......He had 50,000 at his rally because of his personality and ego, not because of his policies.
Have a republican rally where those policies are going to be discussed without Trump in attendance, see how many show up.
'69 has one thing absolutely correct - Trump is the republican party .
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You don't think it had anything to do with the fact that a lot of us who won't vote dem simply preferred a non-politician in the WH? I've despised Trump for as long as I can remember, but I voted for him and was basically pleased with his policies ... just not with what he generally had to say - or more to the point how he said it.
 
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luthervol said:
lol.......He had 50,000 at his rally because of his personality and ego, not because of his policies.
Have a republican rally where those policies are going to be discussed without Trump in attendance, see how many show up.
'69 has one thing absolutely correct - Trump is the republican party .
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And Biden is the Dem party. And it's not looking good.
 
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luthervol said:
Trump - the champion of the working class and middle America.

I remember soon after I came to the PF I nicknamed you Exhibit A.
Spot on if I do say so myself.
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We can debate if Trump actually believes what he says but Trump speaks to the basic tenants of American society for the civilian population. Things that the constitution outlines. He wasn't true to some of those promises like reducing big government but I think he realized how tough it is to reduce and get the things passed that was important to him. We can also admit he was unpresidential most of the time with his professionalism. However, when you have a person that speaks the things that need to be said then people are going to be drawn to him. Trump has always been a major name in America. He was the underdog in politics that started to reasonate with people. He was bold but not in a new way where it would scare people or in an unconstitutional way. In a way instead of saying let's make America great again, he was saying let's slow down and make America sane again.
 
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BreatheUT said:
We can debate if Trump actually believes what he says but Trump speaks to the basic tenants of American society for the civilian population. Things that the constitution outlines. He wasn't true to some of those promises like reducing big government but I think he realized how tough it is to reduce and get the things passed that was important to him. We can also admit he was unpresidential most of the time with his professionalism. However, when you have a person that speaks the things that need to be said then people are going to be drawn to him. Trump has always been a major name in America. He was the underdog in politics that started to reasonate with people. He was bold but not in a new way where it would scare people or in an unconstitutional way. In a way instead of saying let's make America great again, he was saying let's slow down and make America sane again.
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Trump spoke to the lowest common denominator at a 5th grade level. He had no intention of doing much and ran up the debt despite promises to eliminate it. He handed out trillions to cronies and then there was his covid response of handing the reins to Fauci.
 
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BreatheUT said:
We can debate if Trump actually believes what he says but Trump speaks to the basic tenants of American society for the civilian population. Things that the constitution outlines. He wasn't true to some of those promises like reducing big government but I think he realized how tough it is to reduce and get the things passed that was important to him. We can also admit he was unpresidential most of the time with his professionalism. However, when you have a person that speaks the things that need to be said then people are going to be drawn to him. Trump has always been a major name in America. He was the underdog in politics that started to reasonate with people. He was bold but not in a new way where it would scare people or in an unconstitutional way. In a way instead of saying let's make America great again, he was saying let's slow down and make America sane again.
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I sort of understand what Trump represents to those who support him. I fully understand what Trump represents to those who despise him.
Just like Obama represented two completely different things to those who loved him or hated him.
In a simplistic synopsis.........
Obama represented a brighter future by progressing from the past. (to those who supported him)
Trump represented a brighter future by going back to the past. (to those who supported him)
Everyone wants a brighter future.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Picking an individual based solely on their skin color is the very definition of Racism. The irony here is hilarious 😆
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Democrats have gone from racism => equality => equity. They use new words to go 360° to turn original sins back on its head when in fact the 180° was the center. They think it makes them sound smart or look like progress. They are still judging based on skin color.
 
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AM64 said:
If the GOP dredges up another of it's recent losers - like Romney, I'd hope Trump would step in and give them the opportunity for snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. It's been appalling the garbage that both parties have been trotting out recently. Both parties should be looking for quality non-politicians, but they won't because those are the kind of people they can't control.
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It doesn't matter who runs, the winner will be decided before the first vote is cast.
 
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utvolpj said:
Trump spoke to the lowest common denominator at a 5th grade level. He had no intention of doing much and ran up the debt despite promises to eliminate it. He handed out trillions to cronies and then there was his covid response of handing the reins to Fauci.
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And when you're dealing with people you have to say things in plain terms. Leave no guessing. It's one thing for people to know the border is a sieve but you have one politician saying we need to update our immigration policy or find the root causes. What is that to people? Where are the deliverables? Then you got the other one saying. First, we're going to secure the border and build a wall. Then we're going to help address the issue with illegals already over here. We're going to get rid of the criminals. Which one is clear? Which is a BS'er?

Regarding the spending that was disappointing to a lot of people. The swamp is deep on both sides.
 
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luthervol said:
I sort of understand what Trump represents to those who support him. I fully understand what Trump represents to those who despise him.
Just like Obama represented two completely different things to those who loved him or hated him.
In a simplistic synopsis.........
Obama represented a brighter future by progressing from the past. (to those who supported him)
Trump represented a brighter future by going back to the past. (to those who supported him)
Everyone wants a brighter future.
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I only disagree that he wanted to go back to the past. He just doesn't want to be one of the toppled powers of the past because they forget who they are and let the dregs of society pull it down.
 
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BreatheUT said:
And when you're dealing with people you have to say things in plain terms. Leave no guessing. It's one thing for people to know the border is a sieve but you have one politician saying we need to uodate our immigration policy or find the root causes. What is that to people? Where are the deliverables? Then you got the other one saying. First, we're going to secure the border and build a wall. Then we're going to help address the issue with illegals already over here. We're going to get rid of the criminals. Which one is clear? Which is a BS'er?

Regarding the spending that was disappointing to a lot of people. The swamp is deep on both sides.
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No you shouldn't talk like a middle schooler trying to hit 500 words on their paper. It's nonsense and he's a con artist. He's all marketing

The wall was another grift. It was a Maginot line without a real immigration policy yet he wanted nothing to do with that.

It wasn't the swamp it was Trump signing off on untraceable slush funds for his friends. It was criminal
 
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BreatheUT said:
I only disagree that he wanted to go back to the past. He just doesn't want to be one of the toppled powers of the past because they forget who they are and let the dregs of society pull it down.
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It's the "dregs of society" talk that becomes the story.
It's like Hillary's "basket of deplorables" comment.
Are there dregs of society on the left - absolutely, on the right also.
Are there deplorable people on the right - absolutely, on the left also.
The dregs and deplorables (pretty big overlap) drag everybody down. Policies that minimize those groups are what's needed.
 
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luthervol said:
It's the "dregs of society" talk that becomes the story.
It's like Hillary's "basket of deplorables" comment.
Are there dregs of society on the left - absolutely, on the right also.
Are there deplorable people on the right - absolutely, on the left also.
The dregs and deplorables (pretty big overlap) drag everybody down. Policies that minimize those groups are what's needed.
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No the dregs are the ones who enjoy stupid policy ideas like no cash bail, reduced sentences for violent offenses, etc. When the criminals are for it, then you know it's a dumb idea.
 
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utvolpj said:
No you shouldn't talk like a middle schooler trying to hit 500 words on their paper. It's nonsense and he's a con artist. He's all marketing

The wall was another grift. It was a Maginot line without a real immigration policy yet he wanted nothing to do with that.

It wasn't the swamp it was Trump signing off on untraceable slush funds for his friends. It was criminal
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So you suggested the sit on your hands approach because that's what we've had for decades.

As far as a grift. Possibly. He also didn't have a lot of government people on his side so you go with people you can trust. You can cite some examples if you like.
 
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BreatheUT said:
So you suggested the sit on your hands approach because that's what we've had for decades.

As far as a grift. Possibly. He also didn't have a lot of government people on his side so you go with people you can trust. You can cite some examples if you like.
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He had a gop Congress. His inability to work with that is on him and his very painful and drawn out transition

Where have I ever said to sit on their hands? They need to make real immigration reform that addresses those here and the real labor needs. If anything, the useless wall is simply more of the same inaction to address the issue
 
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