Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I am so glad that you have absolutely no influence over how our program is run. Your mindset is what got us to where we were a year ago.
"Hurting our program for no reason" ranks up there with some of the most moronic statements this board has seen.
Congratulations!

Lol ok random guy. When you turn yourself in to the NCAA that is 100% hurting your program for no reason. Let them come looking or find something, don’t unlock the safe with all the secrets and let them dig in it for months. I guess if you rob a bank, you should turn yourself in to the police. It’s better than getting caught in your mind.

 

[butchna]

The fans want Arch, I'm not so sure this staff does. People need to accept that.

I was a holdout on the "fit for the system" narrative on Heupel and his QBs. Felt it was more about decisions and accuracy bases on his entire body of work. Somewhere after his Oklahoma days and before UCF, he prefers more of a dual threat. Manning would fit. He's waves more mobile than Bailey, but there are four more QBs that the staff has placed a priority on imo. The fourth at the moment is Avery Johnson. There is no interest from Arch and it seems that is reciprocated on our end.

 

[Weezer]

Weezy...you are getting lumped in with the negatroll ass cancers because it sounds like you are saying a lot if the same things.

I take your word for it, and I don't think you mean it the same way they do, but people are rightly defensive towards this neverending exhausting .

The negatrolls and their corrosive and loud opinions have no value...they are the anal cancer of the fanbase.

I'm not a glass half full or half empty person. I see the glass. That it's half full or half empty is irrelevant because both are true. I've tried to get people to realize it's not negative to acknowledge truth. When you're missing on players you've targeted, that's the very definition of struggling in recruiting. That doesn't mean the staff is doing a bad job. As I've said, there are many whys involved, but it is what it is. I'm really not certain why people want to get offended over something that is true. I've continued to state the staff did a great job this year. But people are going to see what they choose to see rather than attempt to understand a viewpoint that is not their own.

 

[SugarCC]

Well, I was not looking at through the lens of what you said. Read it without considering that. Glass half empty or half full. It’s all about how we look at the situation. I am definitely a glass half full person... and can’t understand why people want to only see what is wrong.

It wasn't a misrepresentation of what he's been saying, either. How do you misrepresent, "struggling in recruiting"?? One either agrees or disagrees with that statement. I, for one, think it's laughable and ridiculous.

 

[SLICKYINC]

I’m basically a booster. And while I know it’s all doom and gloom now, guys listen, I’m absolutely over the moon about our next commit.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Just took the kids to see Sing 2. If there’s such thing as a 10/10 kids movie, that was it. Outstanding

 

[Dooby15]

Just took the kids to see Sing 2. If there’s such thing as a 10/10 kids movie, that was it. Outstanding

We took ours too and loved it. Mrs. Crawley owns me.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

With the risk of going back and forth again, and junking up the thread, I'll just say I think it comes down to how one looks at life in general...for lack of a better metaphor, is one a glass half full or empty kind of person. I think where some see success, others are always going to see struggle, and vice versa...no matter what evidence is presented on both sides.

If you see a #11 to #15 class as "still struggling", after years and years of Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley, Butch Jones, Jeremy Pruitt, Mike Hamilton, Dave Hart, John Currie, Phillip Fulmer; headline after headline of "Toxic", "Laughable", "Dumpster Fire", "Debacle", "New Low", "TRASH"; being absolutely drug on social media (where recruits hang out night and day) day after day; 73-75 over the last decade plus, absolute sh!t product...one no better than Vanderbilt...think about that; Heupel not even being here a year yet, so no relationships; NCAA investigation; scholarship restrictions...damn, there I go presenting evidence again.

Yeah, I think it's just how one views life, period. No, I don't see us struggling in recruiting, at all. Before the season, if someone would have told me we'd be sitting here with the #11 to #15 class in the country, with a chance to add even more to it, I would have laughed at them. He landed Addison Nichols over UGA and Ohio St; held off UGA for Squirrel White; beat out Michigan (college football playoff) for Kaleb Webb; beat out UGA for James Pierce; beat out UGA and FSU for Tyre West; beat out Auburn for Justin Williams. The close they had leading up to, and on, esd is the best thing we have seen in recruiting in awhile...up there with the Darnell Wright, Henry T close. If that's "struggling", I'll take it...especially right now.

Now, the portal: we've missed on Jared Verse and Isaiah Neyor...Evans was NEVER! coming here, GIbbs was NEVER!!!!!! coming here, thanks again Jeremy Pruitt. Yes, missing Verse and Neyor sucks, and they are misses; and, yes, it can be said we are "struggling" with the portal at the moment. However, we have landed 3 players from the portal: one that will more than likely start at RT for us next year, and the two others could become solid back up's for us. Yes, we need more, absolutely. I would LOVE a DB or two, and a LB. Good thing we have 3 more months!!! Again, Velus and Payton did not arrive until AFTER THE SPRING. Also, again, we are in an ABSOLUTE numbers crunch right now...

Damn, there I go again, presenting evidence.

I'm not "triggered", and it's not BVS (I don't believe in BVS)...like all half empty people, I just feel sorry, sad, disgusted for; and, get sick and tired of reading the same miserable sh!t over and over again. In this, I KNOW I'm not alone.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Any chance that “turning ourselves in and trying this ‘the right way’” was a nothing more than a power move to remove Fulmer and Pruitt from their respective positions?

Could be. But I think it was more than that. The University is prioritizing academics more and more and wanting their image to be pristine. Pruitt and Fulmer wanted to win at all costs and the University didn’t want that. Bama and Georgia care about nothing but winning and they are winning. I think it was a difference in views and not wanting anything bad to come down on the university. Just my opinion though.

 

[Weezer]

I know he is not from Florida..that was not what I meant, I meant they were not going to get in a bidding war over the guy...and I agree, I don't think he was worth it.

I'm not even factoring NIL into it, I just know the staff obviously wanted him, so why pretend otherwise? Same way I feel about Neyor. The staff wanted him and thought he'd improve the team. Why can't we acknowledge that, and accept it was a loss? It would be different if the staff hadn't actually pursued them, but they did. Shouldn't we trust that they did so for a reason?

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

But if what Swain says is true, is a 10 scholarship reduction for one year really all that bad when we already completed a winning season down that many by default and all we have to do is buy time until spring to add more? I mean it really sounds like we fell on the sword, but if it all pans out like Swain is saying, it’s ultimately not that bad.

No, it would be great. Then we could take some transfers after spring and get our roster up to a full squad. I hope that is the case.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

We took ours too and loved it. Mrs. Crawley owns me.

Hilarious. The pig gets me lol

 

[GiggerVol]

The problem being I don't only see what is wrong. What is completely ignored is me praising the coaches and the job they did this year. That doesn't change the truth of us struggling in recruiting. People want to see positive or negative. I see both and am perfectly willing to acknowledge they coexist. This staff did a tremendous coaching job. We've also struggled in recruiting. Both can be and are true. There are many whys as to why we've struggled in recruiting, most well beyond the control of the staff, but it doesn't change the fact we're missing on players the staff clearly hoped to get. It's okay to acknowledge that without people screaming, "you're being negative!". Truth is truth, and no amount of half full half empty glasses will change the truth.

Geez Louise! How many freaking times per day are we going to have to read, almost ver batim, or copy and pasted, this same crap over and over? Go listen to some music, have a drink, do something. You've made your point a thousand times!

 

[Devo182]

A lot of people didn’t think we’d sniff the top 25 in recruiting this year. We exceeded expectations. It was a solid class for the circumstances, but not good enough to get us where we want to be. UT needs to sack up with NIL. 2023 class is where we make a statement.

At this point I'm pretty curious where we finish this class. I could see us potentially dropping right outside the top 25 after NSD (down a few spots from #22), but then we'll have this really late surge (or so expect) with 5-6 more transfers after the Spring. Think we could actually improve our spot, when all said is done, and get back inside top 20...heck who knows maybe even 15. Would be really strong given everything.

 

[Orange.]

You still don’t get it. There will always be things that are negative. People who see the glass half full see the negative but expect there to be some and so they look for the positive and focus on that. Come to the conclusion we are not struggling because there is so much that was positive especially considering the circumstances. Those who are half empty focus on the half empty part of the glass even though they see the positives of the half full and even mention them occasionally. They have a need to fix what is wrong even though they can’t.

This really helped me at looking at how people come to their conclusions. And why we can argue without ever reaching an agreement.

Please notice that he has changed all of his definitions. "Struggling" now means any team not on GA's or AL's level (so all teams except those two are "struggling"). So under those newly revised and completely ad hoc conditions you are supposed to claim he was wrong to say our coaches are struggling.

And of course that is absolutely not what he was saying or what he meant when he was like a pig in sh!t stirring up the mess yesterday. It's his regular spin routine. He changes all of his definitions to something that cannot be assailed after the fact. And then he is going to talk down to you because you didn't listen to him until the end.

He has another definition he trotted out this morning: "struggling" is now any team that misses a target (so all teams without exception are "struggling.") Get it?

Don't play chess with that pigeon.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I'm not even factoring NIL into it, I just know the staff obviously wanted him, so why pretend otherwise? Same way I feel about Neyor. The staff wanted him and thought he'd improve the team. Why can't we acknowledge that, and accept it was a loss? It would be different if the staff hadn't actually pursued them, but they did. Shouldn't we trust that they did so for a reason?

Then wallow..I'm done.

 

[Weezer]

You still don’t get it. There will always be things that are negative. People who see the glass half full see the negative but expect there to be some and so they look for the positive and focus on that. Come to the conclusion we are not struggling because there is so much that was positive especially considering the circumstances. Those who are half empty focus on the half empty part of the glass even though they see the positives of the half full and even mention them occasionally. They have a need to fix what is wrong even though they can’t.

This really helped me at looking at how people come to their conclusions. And why we can argue without ever reaching an agreement.

I guess I'm not getting you, but you're also not getting me. I choose to see both the positive and the negative. I'm not choosing one side over the other. I'm choosing truth. The truth is we've pursued 3 portal targets. First Verse, then Neyor and the WF RB. We got none of them. That's struggling. I'm not being negative IMO, I'm stating the truth. I'm not lambasting the coaches and calling for their heads, I'm simply stating what has happened. We can list the multiple whys, but none of that changes what is.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

The problem being I don't only see what is wrong. What is completely ignored is me praising the coaches and the job they did this year. That doesn't change the truth of us struggling in recruiting. People want to see positive or negative. I see both and am perfectly willing to acknowledge they coexist. This staff did a tremendous coaching job. We've also struggled in recruiting. Both can be and are true. There are many whys as to why we've struggled in recruiting, most well beyond the control of the staff, but it doesn't change the fact we're missing on players the staff clearly hoped to get. It's okay to acknowledge that without people screaming, "you're being negative!". Truth is truth, and no amount of half full half empty glasses will change the truth.

It’s insanity in here lately. You can say the coaches are the greatest ever and freaking amazing. But say one thing negative and everyone goes irate and says you’re a negavol. I guess you can’t question anything anymore. You are exactly correct. Coaches did an amazing job last year and have us on the right path. But recruiting has not been good so far. Doesn’t mean that can’t change going forward.

 

[Devo182]

How long before the payroll for a college football exceeds that of a pro team?

Never, even TAMU would be about 10x short.

And if it did? Then the roster:coach salary ratio would actually be close to the NFL's...which is as close to a free market as there is. Just as an example of how far off the college game's equity to players is.

 

[Weezer]

It wasn't a misrepresentation of what he's been saying, either. How do you misrepresent, "struggling in recruiting"?? One either agrees or disagrees with that statement. I, for one, think it's laughable and ridiculous.

It's a total misrepresentation because you're painting it as being negative.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I guess I'm not getting you, but you're also not getting me. I choose to see both the positive and the negative. I'm not choosing one side over the other. I'm choosing truth. The truth is we've pursued 3 portal targets. First Verse, then Neyor and the WF RB. We got none of them. That's struggling. I'm not being negative IMO, I'm stating the truth. I'm not lambasting the coaches and calling for their heads, I'm simply stating what has happened. We can list the multiple whys, but none of that changes what is.

Why you leave out Mincey if you're being so honestly objective? That is really big get you are ignoring.

 

[Batman1948]

I’m tired of this myth that Saban is complaining because he’s scared of what’s coming. He’s complained about the pace of play and the transfer portal as much as he’s complained about NIL.

Who does those things better than anybody else in the country now? Saban.

It’s a warning, not a complaint.

Kiffin is not far behind Saban in the complaint department

 

[Weezer]

Geez Louise! How many freaking times per day are we going to have to read, almost ver batim, or copy and pasted, this same crap over and over? Go listen to some music, have a drink, do something. You've made your point a thousand times!

Let the adults have our conversation. Go outside and play.

 

[jakez4ut]

I'm not even factoring NIL into it, I just know the staff obviously wanted him, so why pretend otherwise? Same way I feel about Neyor. The staff wanted him and thought he'd improve the team. Why can't we acknowledge that, and accept it was a loss? It would be different if the staff hadn't actually pursued them, but they did. Shouldn't we trust that they did so for a reason?

youre' the only one. lol.

that's all that matters right now.

 

[MoCo_Vol]