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#113,652
Rasputin_Vol said:
It's not me that listens to them for guidance.

Its a significant portion of the general public that only get their guidance from the network news or listen religiously to Fauci and Biden.

These people have been beat to death about getting the jab and social distancing and masking, when the more practical approach would have been to use the same effort and energy to talk about lifestyle changes (diet/obesity), Vitamin D, zinc, etc.
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The more practical approach is to purse all options.
The anti Vac are every bit the problem as Vac only morons
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The more practical approach is to purse all options.
The anti Vac are every bit the problem as Vac only morons
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We agree on that. But that isn't what we have right now, however. Well, not "we", but the general public. The general public is being given limited advice, at best... or deceptive advise and being herded towards their desired ends, at worst.
 
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LouderVol said:
Sun also works for most people. But they cant sell that, so they dont push it.
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Honestly the stupid ass conspiracy theories of information being suppressed is way old. One of the first things my dr said before after the pandemic started was about VitC, Zink and D. She also harps on staying at a healthy weight. What “they” say or “they” push is beyond irrelevant to me. The only people worried about it need a crutch to get by.
But I digress.
 
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#113,658
Rasputin_Vol said:
We agree on that. But that isn't what we have right now, however. Well, not "we", but the general public. The general public is being given limited advice, at best... or deceptive advise and being herded towards their desired ends, at worst.
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Personal accountability.
If you don’t care enough to educate yourself then you get what you deserve.
 
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#113,660
Orangeslice13 said:
Honestly the stupid ass conspiracy theories of information being suppressed is way old. One of the first things my dr said before after the pandemic started was about VitC, Zink and D. She also harps on staying at a healthy weight. What “they” say or “they” push is beyond irrelevant to me. The only people worried about it need a crutch to get by.
But I digress.
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Yes.. "your doctor" and "irrelevant" to you...

Again, you are looking at your own situation. In general, most people either don't get this kind of information and have the same relationship with their doctor as you do or they absorb far too much nonsense from the mass media and political leaders.

You have to stop internalizing the situation and pull back and look at the larger picture. people are ill informed and/or simply being mislead because their situation is not the same as yours.

The main reason why I focus on this is because these ill informed people are keeping a lot of this nonsense alive and giving the politicos and media hope that they can maintain the panic porn.
 
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#113,661
Orangeslice13 said:
Personal accountability.
If you don’t care enough to educate yourself then you get what you deserve.
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I understand where you are coming from on that. But the problem is that these ill informed people are affecting the rest of us because they either push for more of this or they embolden the politicos to continue what they are doing.
 
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#113,662
Rasputin_Vol said:
Yes.. "your doctor" and "irrelevant" to you...

Again, you are looking at your own situation. In general, most people either don't get this kind of information and have the same relationship with their doctor as you do or they absorb far too much nonsense from the mass media and political leaders.

You have to stop internalizing the situation and pull back and look at the larger picture. people are ill informed and/or simply being mislead because their situation is not the same as yours.

The main reason why I focus on this is because these ill informed people are keeping a lot of this nonsense alive and giving the politicos and media hope that they can maintain the panic porn.
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Personal accountability.
You don’t want the government telling you what to do while bitching about the government not pushing what you want them too. You know for the ill informed.
 
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#113,663
Rasputin_Vol said:
I understand where you are coming from on that. But the problem is that these ill informed people are affecting the rest of us because they either push for more of this or they embolden the politicos to continue what they are doing.
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Hold on.
I thought you thought the vaccine didn’t work so what they’re push is irrelevant to you. Or are you saying you’re now onboard with the whole “take the vaccine to protect others” and “I’m less safe because you’re not vaccinated “ crowd.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Personal accountability.
You don’t want the government telling you what to do while bitching about the government not pushing what you want them too. You know for the ill informed.
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Pushing for them to release either all possible remedies and treatments as opposed to walking the people down one predetermined alternative?

I see what you are trying to say, but my point is that if the govt is going to be giving guidance, they should be giving all the available info for people to make their own decisions. Then at that point, if all information is out there and you still have people that are lost and in the dark, that is one them.

I'm only dealing with the situation that we have right now. Obviously, the ideal situation would be that the people are not relying on the government AT ALL for guidance. The people would behave in the manner you are talking about (being self accountable). That isn't what we have right now.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
The January 6 capitol riot was not a good look for this country and was a sad day imo. No one can convince me otherwise. However, the comparison to the 9/11 and Pearl Harbor attacks are not even remotely close to the redneck Randy’s that behaved like idiots at the capitol.
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Completely agree with this.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Hold on.
I thought you thought the vaccine didn’t work so what they’re push is irrelevant to you. Or are you saying you’re now onboard with the whole “take the vaccine to protect others” and “I’m less safe because you’re not vaccinated “ crowd.
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I'm all for people doing whatever medical decision they want to make in a situation like this. I personally don't think it is as effective as first advertised and not worth the risk for myself, but forcing/mandating people to take it is a far different situation.
 
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LouderVol said:
My chances of winning the lotto is something like:

0.000007%

If I buy two tickets my chance is

0.000014%

How drastically have my chances changed?

Greatly? Because it doubled?
Or slightly because that is still a very very small chance?
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I work in SNF and we had 125 sick….. several very serious and several deaths….. our doctor ended up in the ICU….. since vaccinations, we still have people sick…. 8 positives currently but no one close to being serious.

I am also part of a hospital group and 90-95% of the sick in the hospital is unvaccinated. I do feel that the vaccine shouldn’t be mandated in most situations but can understand why healthcare organizations mandate it.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I work in SNF and we had 125 sick….. several very serious and several deaths….. our doctor ended up in the ICU….. since vaccinations, we still have people sick…. 8 positives currently but no one close to being serious.

I am also part of a hospital group and 90-95% of the sick in the hospital is unvaccinated. I do feel that the vaccine shouldn’t be mandated in most situations but can understand why healthcare organizations mandate it.
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I asked this the other day and never got a response from anyone.

What procedures are being perofmeed in ICU? Are they still intubating?
 
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I'm enjoying reading how all these people are up in arms about the Djokovic situation. Their anger is so misplaced it's hilarious. Instead of questioning why a country would refuse entry to a single perfectly healthy person, they're mad the draconian rules being shoved down their throats aren't being applied evenly.
 
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mad4vols said:
Or…
If you don’t test, you don’t have cases.
FL Surgeon General said that earlier this week.
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The antigen tests are giving false negatives on omicron even when you're contagious. Better to hide under your bed and assume you have it than get a false negative test and kill grandma again.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
The antigen tests are giving false negatives on omicron even when you're contagious. Better to hide under your bed and assume you have it than get a false negative test and kill grandma again.
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Also kind of weird that Twitter was convinced yesterday DeSantis was dying from secret Covid but today we have an hour long press conference and he's perfectly fine.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I'm enjoying reading how all these people are up in arms about the Djokovic situation. Their anger is so misplaced it's hilarious. Instead of questioning why a country would refuse entry to a single perfectly healthy person, they're mad the draconian rules being shoved down their throats aren't being applied evenly.
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I am a tennis fan so it is interesting to watch. It is the most Djokovic thing ever. For some reason fans have never loved him like they do Federer and Nadal. So when this happened and the narrative got focused on the privilege he received, it just seemed so predictable.

And you’re right the anger is completely misplaced. I used to think Australians were AC/DC. Now I think they are Wham.
 
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utvolpj said:
For what? Trump screwed it up too
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Trump did what he could at that time: get a vaccine ready. Beyond that there's not much else he could have done. Look at other western developed countries. The virus has hit them all hard regardless of what they've done
 
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#113,675
mad4vols said:
Why weren’t they given out while people waited hours and hours for tests and it was impossible to find any anywhere?

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So damn what? They expired! They could not have been used today. As Guthrie said, but your video cut before he said it, was that there was little demand for them at the time. They didn't need these kits until the Omicron "invasion".
 
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