How does Baylor always find a good coach

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VolsFan-TX said:
Starr is why Briles is off to parts unknown?!? So, it had nothing to do with multiple rape and sexual assault charges against football players that were covered up, several questionable transfers brought to Waco that resulted in additional criminal charges, continued use of the Baylor host program providing favors for the players, recruiting violations, etc?
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Oh it had plenty to do with it. But follow the aftermath. It is not too hard to connect the dots. Starr stepped down as President of Baylor University, and for good reasons. He is the very last person you ever want involved in anything with a sexual overtone. He had a hand in two famous ones. Did either turn out well? Nope.
 
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TNnative said:
Oh it had plenty to do with it. But follow the aftermath. It is not too hard to connect the dots. Starr stepped down as President of Baylor University, and for good reasons. He is the very last person you ever want involved in anything with a sexual overtone. He had a hand in two famous ones. Did either turn out well? Nope.
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I don’t disagree on Starr, but Briles was responsible for Briles getting fired.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Again check his schedule. If Baylor played our schedule they would have 5-6 losses. And on top of it he only won this game because Corral got injured
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4 wins against top 15 opponents. Odds are BYU drops out. That's two wins against top ten teams. Another win against a top 15. And even if BYU drops they will stay ranked. So 4 top 25 wins. When was the last time we did that?
 
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And as stated early on, this thread has nothing to do with our coach. It's more about how Baylor can consistently get a good hire and we can't. Hopefully we did this time. Time will tell.
 
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Our hire has to do a lot more than Baylor's hire. There is an entirely different agenda, and a different set of pressures.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Again check his schedule. If Baylor played our schedule they would have 5-6 losses. And on top of it he only won this game because Corral got injured
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What are you smoking? We play in the SEC East. We are not playing a SEC West type of schedule year in and year out. Just stop it.
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
I don’t disagree on Starr, but Briles was responsible for Briles getting fired.
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Yeah, in the end after the press he got? They had no other choice. But a good portion of what Briles did? I am convinced Starr was directing him. Just the general way things went down was just as dumb as trying to impeach a president over what they ran with. I guess there are some folks that think Starr is a smart guy. But throw anything sexual onto his table, and his common sense evaporates. And if anyone wants to trust him, have at it. I will be the guy laughing when you all wonder, ""How the hell did this get screwed up?"
 
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volfanhill said:
I think we have one now. Not positive yet. How the hell does Baylor always find a good coach? We have been stuck in the wilderness for 20 years
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I put this table together for comparison of Baylor coaches. They have performed well considering their recruiting rankings (haven't recruited higher than 31 since Briles arrived). Not sure that level of recruiting would be successful in the SEC. I also listed the number of TX vs non-TX recruits per year. It is easier to recruit when working in a state of 30 million.

Rhule got a lot of attention in the 3 years he was in Waco, but he went 0-11 against ranked teams. In 2017, his team lost to Liberty, UT San Antonio, and Duke. In 2018, they lost to Duke again, but beat Vandy in a bowl to ensure a winning season. He had a really good 2019, but was still 0-3 vs ranked teams.

Aranda is benefiting from Baylor's recruiting under Rhule (ranked 34, 32 and 33 in his 3 years), but will slide back quickly if he doesn't improve upon his first two classes (60 and 56).

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volfanhill said:
And as stated early on, this thread has nothing to do with our coach. It's more about how Baylor can consistently get a good hire and we can't. Hopefully we did this time. Time will tell.
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I think the real key for this year was getting more selective about the AD hire. Hamilton to Hart to Currie to Fulmer was pretty much decisions that did not have a full measure of support. In each of those hires, they went with who somebody wanted. But in hiring White, I think they actually sat down and went with finding who they needed, and somebody the greater majority of the boosters could trust.

I think they finally got smart over there about hiring someone over there. And if they did? Bout time!
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Again check his schedule. If Baylor played our schedule they would have 5-6 losses. And on top of it he only won this game because Corral got injured
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No need to poo-poo on Baylor's success. They won, this year...a lot. Not everything has to be equal or qualified.
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
I put this table together for comparison of Baylor coaches. They have performed well considering their recruiting rankings (haven't recruited higher than 31 since Briles arrived). Not sure that level of recruiting would be successful in the SEC. I also listed the number of TX vs non-TX recruits per year. It is easier to recruit when working in a state of 30 million.

Rhule got a lot of attention in the 3 years he was in Waco, but he went 0-11 against ranked teams. In 2017, his team lost to Liberty, UT San Antonio, and Duke. In 2018, they lost to Duke again, but beat Vandy in a bowl to ensure a winning season. He had a really good 2019, but was still 0-3 vs ranked teams.

Aranda is benefiting from Baylor's recruiting under Rhule (ranked 34, 32 and 33 in his 3 years), but will slide back quickly if he doesn't improve upon his first two classes (60 and 56).

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You are probably right about that. Aranda's number one impressive thing that I believe recruits and the families will notice is if he can continue shoring up the culture at Baylor. I heard that they are making significant facilities improvements. Being a Baptist run school, and Texas also still having high numbers for that denomination will work in their favor.

But they have to compete with nine other FBS schools for recruits amongst those 30 million folks. They will always have to compete with the Longhorns and the Aggies for recruits, but they have the avantage of not having yell leaders or a live bull as a mascot. So, they can do well in Waco. They need to have another good season in 2022 to keep improving their recruiting profile. It is doable.
 
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volfanhill said:
I think we have one now. Not positive yet. How the hell does Baylor always find a good coach? We have been stuck in the wilderness for 20 years
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Before Art Briles came along, they used to be a doormat in the Big 12 up until about 2010.
 
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LWSVOL said:
he said OK to Kifin Hammy actually picked him. he did say let's go with Dooley but they had already been told nope from 8-10 other coaches. Anderson said take Pruitt as Fulmer actually wanted Tucker.
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Say what you want. When Davenport backed out of the Schiano deal she got a very direct phone call from Jimmy Haslam. He basically told her that he, his dad, and a few other insiders pick the coaches. As I said every coach except Pruitt and Heupel were either picked or approved by the Haslam faction. Davenport by going against the Haslems was fired. So whether they pick or approve it’s still the same at least until Fulmer hired Pruitt. I have heard and read the opposite regarding Fulmer wanting Tucker. However thank goodness the Haslams are in Ohio and busy screwing up the Browns.
 
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TNnative said:
Actually Haslam supported getting Patterson over Kiffen. Hamilton screwed it up.

Dooley was brought in on the fly after Kiffen left. It was a rushed hire.

Yeah, he OKed Jones after Hart got road weary.

But it is pretty clear Haslam supported Schiano.



But yeah, Baylor has been a little better organized. Except on hiring Ken Starr. That is why Art Briles is off to parts unknown.
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Patterson didn’t want the job after Fulmer was canned. And if he did and as you say Haslam wanted him then Hamilton would have hired him or been fired. Simple as that.
 
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jlbvols said:
Say what you want. When Davenport backed out of the Schiano deal she got a very direct phone call from Jimmy Haslam. He basically told her that he, his dad, and a few other insiders pick the coaches. As I said every coach except Pruitt and Heupel were either picked or approved by the Haslam faction. Davenport by going against the Haslems was fired. So whether they pick or approve it’s still the same at least until Fulmer hired Pruitt. I have heard and read the opposite regarding Fulmer wanting Tucker. However thank goodness the Haslams are in Ohio and busy screwing up the Browns.
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Sure Jimmy was pissed Schiano was torpedoed. It was he and Peyton after him...

I know how things work my friend. Been following those things since the 70s.... and the Haslam still have a say.. they ain't going anywhere..
 
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madbamahater said:
Baylor, the historical doormat and Tennessee, the historical top ten program differences over the last approximate 20 plus years.......

At Tennessee, Academia went to war with Athletics in the 1990s. Some professors and others on the academia side despised, decried, and actively worked to destroy athletics. There was basically a war between Fulmer and rogue members of academia. Doug Dickey (AD) and Fulmer did a good job trying to keep these rouge individuals in their places. They were loud, the were hateful, they were bad people who were miserable people and wanted everyone else miserable like them. Sound familiar? They hated sports (football especially) and either too ignorant or didn't care to realize that a healthy athletic department paid dividends (literally) to the academic side. I feel it's the latter. The enemy within.

Doug Dickey retired. That's when Tennessee made their first critial error. They hired Hamilton as AD. The complete opposite of Doug Dickey, polar opposite. The infestation of self-hating reprobates on the Academia side lick their chops. They took over. Shortly after a domino effect took place that further drove the University of Tennessee into the depths of nearly athletic nonexistence.

The hires of Jimmy Cheeks, Dave Hart and others further suppressed what Mike Hamilton had already started.

The University was infested with haters, spineless so-called leaders, reprobates with loser mentalities. Individuals that either didn't understand that a healthy and top-notch winning athletic program was actually great for the academia side or knew and purposefully conspired to further drive UT athletics below the ground. I think the latter.

Well, like all things that are driven by corruption, evildoers and people with bad intentions eventually they have their day. Eventually goodness will come out of darkness.

I think that's where UT has finally gotten to. Tennessee has nearly rid itself from the infestation of incompetence from certain administrators and rid itself of those purposefully seeking to harm Tennessee. Slowly but surely they have stamped out the enemy within.

I believe Tennessee finally has a leader in the AD position. A winner. A competitor. A person that understands athletics and academia can live together and benefit one another. I believe Danny White is this kind of individual. We need to get behind him 100 percent.

Baylor: an excellent school academically basically took the opposite path. They started building their athletic department in all sports.
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VolPack22 said:
Before Art Briles came along, they used to be a doormat in the Big 12 up until about 2010.
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The turnaround began with Guy Morriss. He convinced the administration it was time to put money into the football program and the BMDs climbed aboard. Given another year or two he would have turned the corner on the field himself. As is, he left Briles with several All-Conference players and a consensus All-American (Jason Smith was the number two 1st round draft pick after his senior year).

When Drayton McLane owned the Astros he put the full court press on Art Briles and got him to Waco.
 
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It's all about timing and UT's has always been bad.

Dave Aranda is a quality coach. We'll see where he takes Baylor. I thought he would be at a bigger program, but you never know the circumstances of anyone's decision.
 
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BUBear said:
The turnaround began with Guy Morriss. He convinced the administration it was time to put money into the football program and the BMDs climbed aboard. Given another year or two he would have turned the corner on the field himself. As is, he left Briles with several All-Conference players and a consensus All-American (Jason Smith was the number two 1st round draft pick after his senior year).

When Drayton McLane owned the Astros he put the full court press on Art Briles and got him to Waco.
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The same Guy Morriss that was winless in-conference his last season at Baylor?
 
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