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Sandman 423 said:
While the restaurant industry is easy for everyone to see, take a close look at construction. Price increases on raw materials and imported goods come Jan 1st and you are going to see prices sky rocket and many smaller contractors will likely fold.
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And democrats and other politicians would love nothing more than to see the smaller contractors fail. One way for them to try and usher in this new age of corporatism they want.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You do realize you are talking to someone who previously worked as a restaurant manager until earlier this year. There were times before this pandemic and during it that I worked with under staffed shifts. It's actually comes work working in that industry. However, this last year was much worse. Mainly because of the rudeness and unrealistic expectations of many customers. Sales were also up 25% or more most weeks last year in addition to working those short handed shifts. And what I'm trying to tell you is that the employees that did leave didn't leave to go collect checks. They went elsewhere and their situations are now better. Just like mine is. You refuse to believe that.

Second. I know someone who is a retail manager. Their store had to close for awhile due to Covid. When they were allowed to reopen only half their staff came back. And guess who they hired to fill many of those open positions? Former restaurant workers. The problem is there are not many people to replace the crew needed to run restaurants. As many people simply don't want to work those type of positions.

And yes you are more than capable to call and email your elected reps instead of wasting your time posting on here and resorting to name calling like a leftist democrat does.
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Who started the name calling? And what makes you think I'm not doing exactly that, and contacting the local government officials I know? I am in touch with them regularly as part of my job.

It's not "name calling" to call an ignorant spade a spade. You're speaking from highly limited restaurant manager knowledge in one place compared to someone that works in government, evaluates economic impacts for state and federal projects, helps run analyses to get medical supplies to facilities across the county, and has owned a business in and is fairly well connected and read into the economy of an entire region of a state you don't even live in. You lose.

(and you don't even challenge numbers that are brought up to counter the weak anecdotes you present... who is acting like a leftist here, since that's the insult you choose?)
 
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DonjoVol said:
And democrats and other politicians would love nothing more than to see the smaller contractors fail. One way for them to try and usher in this new age of corporatism they want.
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So on one hand you'll post this, then on the other not acknowledge the effort to keep people out of the workforce especially for smaller businesses?

I wish I could willingly disconnect the two sides of my own brain.
 
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ButchPlz said:
There's literally no point talking about this with someone that just says "you are wrong" then proceeds to insanity.

You don't live here. You don't own a business here. You haven't run a business here. You don't know sh*t. Good try though. Not like I'm not sitting here watching even our local government give "grants" to whoever applies for them- literally. Not like I'm watching businesses in the industries you said are hiring struggle and cut shifts. Not like I'm sitting here with the direct knowledge that Virginia's new governor isn't even in office yet.

You're not a bright person.
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This
 
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ButchPlz said:
Who started the name calling? And what makes you think I'm not doing exactly that, and contacting the local government officials I know? I am in touch with them regularly as part of my job.

It's not "name calling" to call an ignorant spade a spade. You're speaking from highly limited restaurant manager knowledge in one place compared to someone that works in government, evaluates economic impacts for things, and has owned and is fairly well connected and read into the economy of an entire region of a state you don't even live in. You lose.
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From one place? Try 3 places and over a decade worth of experience. So yes I know first hand the challenges it takes to operate a restaurant more than you do. I also understand the effect a constant staff turnover has on one. But God forbid you actually listen to someone with over a decade of experience working in them.

As far as I'm concerned I've tried being respectful in this conversation. You refuse not to be and refuse to listen to actual facts. So keep on complaining and moaning and groaning on a message board. Like I said it's doing you no good.
 
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DonjoVol said:
From one place? Try 3 places and over a decade worth of experience. So yes I know first hand the challenges it takes to operate a restaurant more than you do. I also understand the effect a constant staff turnover has on one. But God forbid you actually listen to someone with over a decade of experience working in them.

As far as I'm concerned I've tried being respectful in this conversation. You refuse not to be and refuse to listen to actual facts. So keep on complaining and moaning and groaning on a message board. Like I said it's doing you no good.
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Your one dimensional, simple opinion, including the same experience everyone else has had in an unprecedented time and assumptions on somewhere you don't know and I imagine have never been to for any time, are not "fact".

Hard numbers about what a family can make staying home without a job, references to rules that have been enforced during the pandemic, and reference to the situation where I live and work on the ground- these are facts. You could even call basic economic knowledge about the downstream impacts of government subsidies a fact if you want- even though you can't grasp it.

Hopping in with asinine opinion saying "you are wrong", dodging points and rambling about a single industry with zero macro knowledge is not respectful. It's a sign of a failure.
 
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As another example, I make a salary over 3x the average for this area, and I do not even pocket $5K after taxes from my salaried job. If I were a scumbag, I'd move into the city, stop paying rent, and pull in that cash under my wife's name since she'd be first in line to get the dough on name alone.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Your one dimensional, simple opinion, including the same experience everyone else has had in an unprecedented time and assumptions on somewhere you don't know and I imagine have never been to for any time, are not "fact".

Hard numbers about what a family can make staying home without a job, references to rules that have been enforced during the pandemic, and reference to the situation where I live and work on the ground- these are facts.

Hopping in with asinine opinion saying "you are wrong", dodging points and rambling about a single industry with zero macro knowledge is not respectful. It's a sign of a failure.
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When the Republican party becomes the party of the working class (By 2026 or 2028) and working people guess what's going to happen. You'll be right there voting democrat with the likes of Luther and BB85.

And you still refuse to acknowledge the fact that many restaurants workers moved on into other fields to work where they are now making more money. So it's not their fault for this shortage you might be seeing and I can guarantee most of them weren't sitting at home collecting checks. Especially here in this area. Apparently a reality that's hard for you to accept.
 
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DonjoVol said:
When the Republican party becomes the party of the working class (By 2026 or 2028) and working people guess what's going to happen. You'll be right there voting democrat with the likes of Luther and BB85.

And you still refuse to acknowledge the fact that many restaurants workers moved on into other fields to work where they are now making more money. So it's not their fault for this shortage you might be seeing and I can guarantee most of them weren't sitting at home collecting checks. Especially here in this area. Apparently a reality that's hard for you to accept.
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The bolded literally makes no sense.

I'm not acknowledging what you say because I'm not a micro-focused goober trying to leverage the anecdote of the dozen people I know into applying across an entire economy. I'm watching staffing shortages, especially in blue states and areas with additional subsidy, not only in restaurants but in:
1) warehousing
2) construction/contracting
3) auto parts manufacturing
4) medical manufacturing
5) consumer products (specifically, from who I am in contact with and evaluating, mass printing and cosmetics)
6) regular retail
7) shipping and logistics

You're right, it's pointless. You're a restaurant manager trying to argue a more macro sized economic question with someone that is examining this stuff for work. It's going about as you implied, except you whiff on the reason why.
 
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DonjoVol said:
When the Republican party becomes the party of the working class (By 2026 or 2028) and working people guess what's going to happen. You'll be right there voting democrat with the likes of Luther and BB85.

And you still refuse to acknowledge the fact that many restaurants workers moved on into other fields to work where they are now making more money. So it's not their fault for this shortage you might be seeing and I can guarantee most of them weren't sitting at home collecting checks. Especially here in this area. Apparently a reality that's hard for you to accept.
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LOL This is some funny shiz right here ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
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ButchPlz said:
The bolded literally makes no sense.

I'm not acknowledging what you say because I'm not a micro-focused goober trying to leverage the anecdote of the dozen people I know into applying across an entire economy. I'm watching staffing shortages, especially in blue states and areas with additional subsidy, not only in restaurants but in:
1) warehousing
2) construction/contracting
3) auto parts manufacturing
4) medical manufacturing
5) consumer products (specifically, from who I am in contact with and evaluating, mass printing and cosmetics)
6) regular retail
7) shipping and logistics

You're right, it's pointless. You're a restaurant manager trying to argue a more macro sized economic question with someone that is examining this stuff for work. It's going about as you implied, except you whiff on the reason why.
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Donjo is one of the most liberal people I’ve ever encountered that claims to be a conservative, and he has zero knowledge about macroeconomics or running a business.
 
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Vol423 said:
Donjo is one of the most liberal people I’ve ever encountered that claims to be a conservative, and he has zero knowledge about macroeconomics or running a business.
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Actually the term liberal in the classical or traditional sense is not a derogatory term. It was a term hijacked by the left and democrats when in reality the proper term to use for them would be leftist.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
LOL This is some funny shiz right here ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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It's true. The Republican party is actually trending in the direction where they will be the party that will consist of the majority of the working and middle class and the majority of small business owners. It will become more of a multi ethnic, multi racial party as well.

The democrat party will become the party of corporatism, certain professions, big government, woke whites, Wall Street, and identity politics.

If anyone doesn't believe me then they need to go read and listen to what Josh Hawley and Marco Rubio say about the direction the party is going.
 
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I can't believe we are arguing over something this petty. Could it be a mix of both? Some left for better jobs and some collected checks?

But either way, that isn't the point. The point is that it doesn't matter where they are at right now, the restaurant industry is suffering because they are not coming back to their old jobs to fill their needs.

This entire thing was a govt created problem with these lockdowns. That is where the anger and disgust needs to be directed...
 
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DonjoVol said:
It's true. The Republican party is actually trending in the direction where they will be the party that will consist of the majority of the working and middle class and the majority of small business owners. It will become more of a multi ethnic, multi racial party as well.

The democrat party will become the party of corporatism, certain professions, big government, woke whites, Wall Street, and identity politics.

If anyone doesn't believe me then they need to go read and listen to what Josh Hawley and Marco Rubio say about the direction the party is going.
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What’s the “working class”?
 
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DonjoVol said:
When the Republican party becomes the party of the working class (By 2026 or 2028) and working people guess what's going to happen. You'll be right there voting democrat with the likes of Luther and BB85.

And you still refuse to acknowledge the fact that many restaurants workers moved on into other fields to work where they are now making more money. So it's not their fault for this shortage you might be seeing and I can guarantee most of them weren't sitting at home collecting checks. Especially here in this area. Apparently a reality that's hard for you to accept.
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You know... to most people, that is a wild azz prediction from left field. But I've got my ear to the street and it just seems like a different vibe. Most of the people doubting what you are saying probably aren't having these conversations with regular folks to get this vibe. I've made an equally wild prediction that by around the window you stated (2026/2028), it wouldn't surprise me to see the black vote well over 25% GOP... mostly driven by the men, which goes along with your "party of the working class" statement. And this mass immigration from Central America and Mexico may work in Democrats favor on first generation immigrants, but you can see now that as time goes on, they start to get red as they begin to establish themselves and assimilate.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You know... to most people, that is a wild azz prediction from left field. But I've got my ear to the street and it just seems like a different vibe. Most of the people doubting what you are saying probably aren't having these conversations with regular folks to get this vibe. I've made an equally wild prediction that by around the window you stated (2026/2028), it wouldn't surprise me to see the black vote well over 25% GOP... mostly driven by the men, which goes along with your "party of the working class" statement. And this mass immigration from Central America and Mexico may work in Democrats favor on first generation immigrants, but you can see now that as time goes on, they start to get red as they begin to establish themselves and assimilate.
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Actually I think the African American vote for the Republican party will also be driven by women. 18% of African American women in Florida voted for DeSantis. That might seem like a small percentage but it's not. I honestly see over 50% of the African American and Hispanic population in this country voting Republican by 2028 at the latest. I also see much of the younger vote (18-29) going Republican as well. It trended that way for Youngkin in the VA governor election. So I see that trend to continue. Plus, the working class consists of many people that age so it naturally will make sense. Many millennials will be older by that time and most are set in their ways and continue to vote democrat.

I see the working class vote possibly being about 70 to 30 percent Republican by 2026 or 2028. People also need to listen to what Rubio and Hawley have been saying. It's going to be the party of the working and middle class. And some of these so called conservatives will be offended by it and join many of the old school Bush Republicans who are now democrats.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Actually I think the African American vote for the Republican party will also be driven by women. 18% of African American women in Florida voted for DeSantis. That might seem like a small percentage but it's not. I honestly see over 50% of the African American and Hispanic population in this country voting Republican by 2028 at the latest. I also see much of the younger vote (18-29) going Republican as well. It trended that way for Youngkin in the VA governor election. So I see that trend to continue. Plus, the working class consists of many people that age so it naturally will make sense. Many millennials will be older by that time and most are set in their ways and continue to vote democrat.

I see the working class vote possibly being about 70 to 30 percent Republican by 2026 or 2028. People also need to listen to what Rubio and Hawley have been saying. It's going to be the party of the working and middle class. And some of these so called conservatives will be offended by it and join many of the old school Bush Republicans who are now democrats.
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Geez, you are smoking some good stuff. 50% black vote? That would require the women to jump on board. I'm not ready to go out that far on that limb until I see a dramatic showing in the midterms next November.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Geezer, you are smoking some good stuff. 50% black vote? That would require the women to jump on board. I'm not ready to go out that far on that limb until I see a dramatic showing in the midterms next November.
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There is still 4 to 6 years time for this to happen. I mention the 18% vote for DeSantis as that was probably 4 times the vote Trump received from that demographic in 2016.
 
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