We just witnessed the greatest season by a UT QB not named Manning

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Volsfannn said:
Exactly. If Heupel slowed it down in 4th qtr against Bama it would've been a different outcome. On two drives inside redzone 3 running plays up the middle for net -2 yards and a total of 15 seconds each off the clock. The fast pace is great but when defense is gassed figure a way to get them rest, Heupel failed at that multiple times this season.
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Especially when the opponent can basically score at will on a rested defense
 
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agent|orange said:
This was not, objectively, the greatest season of any UT QB not named Manning though.

This was a good 1Q QB that slumped when the team, that utterly relies on good QB play, needed him and we went 7-6. If you want to go throw a party over 7-6... knock yourself out.
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Thread isn't about our record.
 
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Volsfannn said:
Recruiting class rankings past 4 years. 2017 UC 63 UT 15. 2018 UC 47 UT 20. 2019 UC 89 UT 13. 2020 UC 39 UT 8. And just saying bama is about to boat race out of the stadium your 3 1st round draft picks
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Also boat raced UGA so color me shocked. Since you like the stats game, check and see how much of our incredible classes participated last night and what their individual rankings were.
 
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agent|orange said:
I know I'm being a Debbie Downer, but here's another angle:

Hendon Hooker in 2021: 7 wins
Clausen in 2001: 11 wins
Manning in 1996: 10 wins
Martin in 1998: 13 wins and a NC
Kelly in 1991: 9 wins
Ainge in 2006: 9 wins
Bray in 2012: 5 wins
Shuler in 1993: 10 wins
Dobbs in 2016: 9 wins

QBs are the only position judged both by their wins and how they affect W/L. I think we're a 5 win team without Hooker and a 9-10 win team with better (or at least more consistent) QB play.

Without Tillman, Hooker doesn't do much. Without basically ANY WR, Purdue's walk-on QB still absolutely trashed us. That's the difference IMO. Hooker himself is very inconsistent. He has a spectacular 1st Quarter, bad 2nd Quarter, usually a good couple of drives in the 3rd Quarter and his 4th Quarter is usually his worst. That's not good for a QB.
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😂 How many of those had good to elite defenses?
 
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Behr said:
Thread isn't about our record.
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UT's entire gameplan is predicated on good QB play.

Good QB play results in wins.

Poor QB play results in losses due to :45 TOP and wasted possessions while the opposition generates long drives resulting in points. All those TDs in the 1Q don't matter then.

It doesn't matter how good Hooker's 1Q is... his 2Q and especially 4Q are average. Jarrett Guarantano average. That actively hurts the defense resulting in a lot of losses.

Therefore 7-6 is part-and-parcel reflective of the QB. Period.
 
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nashvol1 said:
Anyone bagging on Hooker in this thread should turn in their Vol card, today. Is he perfect, no. Is he surrounded by Al or GA talent, no. But holy hell, some of you must walk around absolutely miserable.
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Oh No! Not my Vol Card!
 
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Volsfannn said:
Especially when the opponent can basically score at will on a rested defense
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Cry about it with your girlfriend all you want. It's a football game and we looked better than we have in years. Did better than most expected and if all you guys can find to do is bitch about 18-20 year Olds not playing with a football to your satisfaction, maybe it's not everyone else that's crazy.

Lol. Some of you guys honestly crack me up.
 
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Behr said:
Cry about it with your girlfriend all you want. It's a football game and we looked better than we have in years. Did better than most expected and if all you guys kind find to do is bitch about 18-20 year Olds not playing with to your satisfaction, maybe it's not everyone else that's crazy.

Lol. Some of you guys honestly crack me up.
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I agree with all your points. We looked good, especially considering the losses to the roster and Hooker made us at least 3 wins better than Milton.

For the 182th time for you illiterates:

This was not the greatest season by a UT QB not named Manning

Full stop. Calm down, go back and re-read some of what I've said. Hooker had a good season, but QBs aren't just judged by 1st Quarters. That's.... literally it.
 
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agent|orange said:
UT's entire gameplan is predicated on good QB play.

Good QB play results in wins.

Poor QB play results in losses due to :45 TOP and wasted possessions while the opposition generates long drives resulting in points. All those TDs in the 1Q don't matter then.

It doesn't matter how good Hooker's 1Q is... his 2Q and especially 4Q are average. Jarrett Guarantano average. That actively hurts the defense resulting in a lot of losses.

Therefore 7-6 is part-and-parcel reflective of the QB. Period.
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Make a big deal out of a backup QB doing better than you expected. It's not on my most important things in life list. I've lost interest trying to explain something pretty simple.
 
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southgatevol said:
Also boat raced UGA so color me shocked. Since you like the stats game, check and see how much of our incredible classes participated last night and what their individual rankings were.
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That's an administration failure not a recruiting failure. Can't say the talent hasn't been here. Up to administration to develop/keep players.
 
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Behr said:
Cry about it with your girlfriend all you want. It's a football game and we looked better than we have in years. Did better than most expected and if all you guys can find to do is bitch about 18-20 year Olds not playing with a football to your satisfaction, maybe it's not everyone else that's crazy.

Lol. Some of you guys honestly crack me up.
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Be happy with mediocrity
 
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agent|orange said:
This is why:

1st Quarter: 87 attempts | 70.1% completion | 983 yards | 11.3YPA | 14 TD | 0 INT | 4 sacks | 218 rating
2nd Quarter: 94 attempts | 66.0% completion | 836 yards | 8.9YPA | 9 TD | 1 INT | 13 sacks | 170.1 rating
3rd Quarter: 68 attempts | 73.5% completion | 648 yards | 9.5YPA | 4 TD | 0 INT | 11 sacks | 173 rating
4th Quarter: 52 attempts | 61.5% completion | 472 yards | 9.1YPA | 4 TD | 2 INT | 7 sacks | 155.5 rating

Now for JG's 2019 4th Quarter:
4th Quarter: 50 attempts | 64.0% completion | 501 yards | 10.0YPA | 2 TD | 1 INT | 6 sacks | 157.4 rating

We're blinded by how incredible he is to start the game. His 4th Quarter this year was almost identical to JG's 4th in 2019.
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We were also up in s lot of games this year, where JG was way behind.
 
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DrTNT said:
I didn’t realize that even given that Peyton & Bray came after him, that the Heath Shuler led offense was responsible for the highest scoring offense at UT prior to this year….
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That was one of Fulmer's most disappointing seasons. That team was absolutely loaded and we squandered it by letting Spurrier have his way, letting David Palmer run the ball right when he'd only ran that play all year and getting schooled by Paterno in the bowl game.
 
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agent|orange said:
I know I'm being a Debbie Downer, but here's another angle:

Hendon Hooker in 2021: 7 wins
Clausen in 2001: 11 wins
Manning in 1996: 10 wins
Martin in 1998: 13 wins and a NC
Kelly in 1991: 9 wins
Ainge in 2006: 9 wins
Bray in 2012: 5 wins
Shuler in 1993: 10 wins
Dobbs in 2016: 9 wins

QBs are the only position judged both by their wins and how they affect W/L. I think we're a 5 win team without Hooker and a 9-10 win team with better (or at least more consistent) QB play.

Without Tillman, Hooker doesn't do much. Without basically ANY WR, Purdue's walk-on QB still absolutely trashed us. That's the difference IMO. Hooker himself is very inconsistent. He has a spectacular 1st Quarter, bad 2nd Quarter, usually a good couple of drives in the 3rd Quarter and his 4th Quarter is usually his worst. That's not good for a QB.
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Bro everyone of those other teams had NFL level offensive line players and depth…except Dobbs.

Dobbs did have lots of multiple NFL level weapons all around him…exactly like all the other QBs listed did except Hooker. A luxury every other QB had also.

Lastly none of those QBs transferred into another program with the amount of roster turnover and defeated atmosphere. He had to learn a completely new offensive system, not take first team reps during practice, & get to have any type of gelling with his WRs/O-line/RBs. Yet he lead a team of 60 scholarship players and 10 or so walk ons given scholarships picked to win 3 games…to being 2 Bull $#!T inexcusable forward progress stopped game changing calls from going 9-4 instead of 7-6. Odds are he doesn’t overthrow 4 walk in TDs against Pitt too had he been the starter instead Milton.

So when you look at what, when, and how he did it given the situation…extremely damn impressive.
 
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agent|orange said:
I know I'm being a Debbie Downer, but here's another angle:

Hendon Hooker in 2021: 7 wins
Clausen in 2001: 11 wins
Manning in 1996: 10 wins
Martin in 1998: 13 wins and a NC
Kelly in 1991: 9 wins
Ainge in 2006: 9 wins
Bray in 2012: 5 wins
Shuler in 1993: 10 wins
Dobbs in 2016: 9 wins

QBs are the only position judged both by their wins and how they affect W/L. I think we're a 5 win team without Hooker and a 9-10 win team with better (or at least more consistent) QB play.

Without Tillman, Hooker doesn't do much. Without basically ANY WR, Purdue's walk-on QB still absolutely trashed us. That's the difference IMO. Hooker himself is very inconsistent. He has a spectacular 1st Quarter, bad 2nd Quarter, usually a good couple of drives in the 3rd Quarter and his 4th Quarter is usually his worst. That's not good for a QB.
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Judging QBs by wins is idiotic.
 
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volfan_28 said:
Hooker > Dobbs. No one can talk me out of that conclusion.
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Of course he is. Dobbs is a better runner, but he wasn’t close to HH as a passer and he had better talent around him. Small, Wright, Tillman, Fant, and Velus aren’t Hurd, Kamara, Malone, Wolf, and Jennings.
 
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