Mullen Out

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Fightmaker said:
My quote was in regards to the bed wetting concerns on here that Kiffin would turn the Florida job into a never ending nightmare for Tennessee fans for the rest of our lives. I think that’s giving him a wee bit too much credit. He just isn’t scary at all to me, and if there are people who are really that afraid of him, then yeah-I don’t even know what to say to them.
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Ok
 
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BanditVol said:
We can and will. It's not 1999 anymore.

The whole "we can't beat Florida" thing was largely a Fulmer thing. Since then, we have sucked and could hardly beat anyone, let alone Florida.

I know that they also sucked some of those years, and even in our down phase we should have won a few more, but the post-Fulmer era is different than the SOS/Urban days.

We may not beat them next year, but with this staff we will play up to our potential.
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This is the first year that Florida has "sucked" in... well i really can't remember. And Iremember the pre Spurrier years.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
This is the first year that Florida has "sucked" in... well i really can't remember. And Iremember the pre Spurrier years.
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2017. It hasn't been that long.

To @rjd970 point, I'm not sure why it is UT that has the toxic fanbase that suffocates coaches but UF is "serious about winning" when they fire a coach. I guess UF's program still has a sheen on it that UT's does not because even though they haven't had an elite team in over a decade. I guess they have not been as bad as UT has over the last decade and they are not as far removed from an elite period of performance as UT is. Even though UF has had two 4-win seasons since 2013 (more than UT) and is staring a 5-win season right in the face.
 
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05_never_again said:
2017. It hasn't been that long.

To @rjd970 point, I'm not sure why it is UT that has the toxic fanbase that suffocates coaches but UF is "serious about winning" when they fire a coach. I guess UF's program still has a sheen on it that UT's does not because even though they haven't had an elite team in over a decade. I guess they have not been as bad as UT has over the last decade and they are not as far removed from an elite period of performance as UT is. Even though UF has had two 4-win seasons since 2013 (more than UT) and is staring a 5-win season right in the face.
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I think it’s due to their good years in that same time frame, of the 4-5 win seasons, that have overshadowed that. We haven’t won 10 games since 2007, they’ve won 10 or more 4 times since Urban left, been to ATL 3x, been as competitive with Bama as anyone not named Auburn, etc. Their bad has been “balanced out” per se by their good, IMO.
 
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stolitonic said:
Botch's downfall was the 2016 season. The 2017 season was simply the fruit from how 2016 went.

Sure we went 9-4 in 2016, but that is kind of smoke and mirrors. Struggled mightily against Appy St. VT being unable to throw the ball without it being intercepted saved him vs VT. A HUGE comeback was needed to even beat Florida that year. The Georgia game, don't even get me started. The Dobbs Nail Boot should have never even been necessary.

Botch could have just as easily put up a 6-6 record in 2016 with quite possibly the most talented team we have fielded since 2001. Only a few VERY lucky breaks kept that from happening.
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Amen.
 
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utvolford said:
If I remember correctly, UT caught a raft from UF fans for firing Butch after a fairly recent SEC championship appearance, then fired McElwain a couple of weeks later after a press conference appearance they didn't like. Now, Mullen after a recent SEC championship appearance. UF may be joining the oasis UT has found itself in since firing Fulmer, Karma is a tough thing to deal with.
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Firing Fulmer was still the right thing to do at that point. Everything through Pruitt since has been a comedy of errors... but Fulmer was rightly fired for multiple reasons. The biggest one is that he absolutely refused to see that HE needed to change.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Napier just seems like exactly what we need. He can persuade AR to stay, he can recruit, he knows we'll give him a few seasons to get it going.
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Really? Based on what?

Muschamp recruited well, had a winning record, had an 11-2 season, and claimed he just needed a little more than 4 seasons to "get it going". Won SEC COY.

McElwain had a 10 win season, a 9 win season, and then was fired after 7 games for saying he'd gotten death threats? Who in a position like that hasn't had some whack job threaten them? Won SEC COY. He appeared to have it "going" to an extent. Fired before the end of season 3.

Mullen isn't going to complete his 4th season after producing 10 win seasons in his first two and enduring the Covid year with everyone else last year. He is a VERY clear signal that no coach is going to get "a few seasons to get it going".


I think UT has been TOO patient much of the time. They've made poor hires and then let them hurt the program before cutting bait. Jones is the best example. And... UT has been criticized for being too demanding. But Vol fans and supporters aren't even in your class. You have gotten "top name" coaches... guys that other programs wanted. Guys honestly that a lot of Vol fans wanted who were BETTER than the guys UT got.

One thing is clear... you aren't good at giving a coach "a few seasons" even when they have success.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I'm still not sure firing Mullen was the right move. Sure, most people here (and probably most people on the Florida boards) think that, but this year looks more like an aberration in Mullen's career than anything.

That said, I've never seen a team collapse quite like that. Was it really just Grantham or was the whole thing unsalvageable at this point? I honestly don't know the answer.

Feel like Florida was in a very difficult spot with Mullen. May be the wrong move to fire him, but he made it nearly impossible not to fire him and it felt like he quit.
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I’m not sure firing Mullen was right either, but something had to be done.

I hope he stays far away from the SEC, I still think he’s a damn good football coach, and I’m not interested in playing against him in the years to come.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
So what’s the word on the Gator boards? Are there any legit players? Or is everyone speculating on the usual suspects of Freeze, Kiffin,,, etc?
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Those two are in the conversation, as always, along with Napier, Bob Stoops as always, Mario Cristobol, Bill O’Brien. James Franklin too.

But nobody knows much as this early stage.
 
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Jaws said:
I’m not sure firing Mullen was right either, but something had to be done.

I hope he stays far away from the SEC, I still think he’s a damn good football coach, and I’m not interested in playing against him in the years to come.
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It’s ironic, that our best family friends, who are 3-4 generational UF alums and long time donors, said the preseason ranking was way too high and this was going to be a rebuilding/transition year due the departures from 2020. I don’t think they saw it being this bad, but the fact that the media saw them as a top 8 team preseason and the died in the wool fans saw otherwise is interesting to me. I’d say our friends were a lot closer to being right than the media paid to do it for a living. I personally don’t think Mullen did himself or the team any favors with the QB rotation/musical chairs. The dual-QB system rarely works effectively unless it’s a Tebow/Leak 2-3 plays scenario.
 
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Jaws said:
Those two are in the conversation, as always, along with Napier, Bob Stoops as always, Mario Cristobol, Bill O’Brien. James Franklin too.

But nobody knows much as this early stage.
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I would be fine with you guys getting Franklin or BOB.
 
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#197
It's really starting to look like Napier and I've got my fingers crossed...I REALLY want Napier, I feel like he's gonna be the next big deal in coaching.
 
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