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Random Thoughts XXXIV

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It highlights the risk of allowing untrained people to handle firearms that are going to be stupid about it. Unfortunately, he falls under this category.
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By “he”, do you mean Baldwin, the associate producer, whoever mixed live rounds and blanks in the same box, or who?

The root cause is a culture that encourages rushing through things and ignoring safety protocols. Focusing blame on the last person in line (Baldwin in this case) glosses over all the incompetence that resulted in an actor holding a gun with live ammunition. And yes, as one of the producers, Baldwin is also to blame for the situation.
Still, the apparent lack of proper weapons protocol has stunned veteran film workers.

“This was incompetence, inexperience and — I hate to say this — lack of caring about your job. If there’s a whole bunch of ammunition thrown together in a box, that’s not how it’s done,” said Mike Tristano, a longtime professional armorer…

In his 30-year career, the armorer Tristano hasn’t often experienced producers or crew members who cut corners on safety. But when safety is in question, he has not hesitated to pull his team off a set.

“Whenever I was on a set where there was a lot of panic going on, or the AD (assistant director) was rushing, I would say, ‘OK, I’m locking the guns back in the truck,’ ” Tristano said. “I’d say, ‘When you guys are ready to do it right, we’ll do it. If you don’t like that, fire me.’ ”
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By “he”, do you mean Baldwin, the associate producer, whoever mixed live rounds and blanks in the same box, or who?

The root cause is a culture that encourages rushing through things and ignoring safety protocols. Focusing blame on the last person in line (Baldwin in this case) glosses over all the incompetence that resulted in an actor holding a gun with live ammunition. And yes, as one of the producers, Baldwin is also to blame for the situation.
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I mean he, Baldwin, the guy that pointed the gun and pulled the trigger. The end responsibility lies with the person with the gun in his hand. Has NOTHING to do with society. I'm not debating this much more because it will go political really fast and I'm not going there. Just suffice it to say, there are some people in this country that see gun ownership/handling as a personal responsibility. There are others that see guns as things to be scared of if they aren't in "their" hands or taken away. I always err on the side of personal responsibility.


Note: The FIRST thing that I have been taught in 2 states so far about handling a firearm is when you are handed a gun, clear it, inspect it and reload it if you are shooting it, if not, lock it open and unloaded.
 
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I mean he, Baldwin, the guy that pointed the gun and pulled the trigger. The end responsibility lies with the person with the gun in his hand. Has NOTHING to do with society. I'm not debating this much more because it will go political really fast and I'm not going there. Just suffice it to say, there are some people in this country that see gun ownership/handling as a personal responsibility. There are others that see guns as things to be scared of if they aren't in "their" hands or taken away. I always err on the side of personal responsibility.


Note: The FIRST thing that I have been taught in 2 states so far about handling a firearm is when you are handed a gun, clear it, inspect it and reload it if you are shooting it, if not, lock it open and unloaded.
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I agree. Previous articles by AP (good, neutral coverage of this, btw) have mentioned how every actor in a scene is trained (should be trained) to clear, inspect, and reload. So if actors have been trained to do this, they understand the importance of doing so. If they haven’t been, and they never handled guns in other situations, it moves toward one of those “you don’t know what you don’t know” things.

— it just occurred to me that back in the 70’s when my cousin (Honolulu PD detective) took me to the police shooting range, he never showed me how to inspect a gun, only the “don’t point it at anything that you don’t mean to shoot” bit. I knew that they were loaded (handgun, shotgun, and rifle), of course. Ten years later, when my veterinarian boss took me to a Thanksgiving turkey shoot, same thing. Don’t point it at anything other than a target, here’s how you aim, don’t snug it up to your shoulder. Never crossed my mind that I ought to know how to safely load and unload. And I thought that we were *edit* being safe.

This^^^ is what it’s like, I think, for those who haven’t gone through proper firearms training, which should be required on sets. Again, we don’t know what we don’t know.
 
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I agree. Previous articles by AP (good, neutral coverage of this, btw) have mentioned how every actor in a scene is trained (should be trained) to clear, inspect, and reload. So if actors have been trained to do this, they understand the importance of doing so. If they haven’t been, and they never handled guns in other situations, it moves toward one of those “you don’t know what you don’t know” things.

— it just occurred to me that back in the 70’s when my cousin (Honolulu PD detective) took me to the police shooting range, he never showed me how to inspect a gun, only the “don’t point it at anything that you don’t mean to shoot” bit. I knew that they were loaded (handgun, shotgun, and rifle), of course. Ten years later, when my veterinarian boss took me to a Thanksgiving turkey shoot, same thing. Don’t point it at anything other than a target, here’s how you aim, don’t snug it up to your shoulder. Never crossed my mind that I ought to know how to safely load and unload. And I thought that we were safe.

This^^^ is what it’s like, I think, for those who haven’t gone through proper firearms training, which should be required on sets. Again, we don’t know what we don’t know.
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Keanu Reeves Shoots A 3-Gun Course, And His Stance On Gun Control

Keanu Reeves aka John Wick.
 
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I agree. Previous articles by AP (good, neutral coverage of this, btw) have mentioned how every actor in a scene is trained (should be trained) to clear, inspect, and reload. So if actors have been trained to do this, they understand the importance of doing so. If they haven’t been, and they never handled guns in other situations, it moves toward one of those “you don’t know what you don’t know” things.

— it just occurred to me that back in the 70’s when my cousin (Honolulu PD detective) took me to the police shooting range, he never showed me how to inspect a gun, only the “don’t point it at anything that you don’t mean to shoot” bit. I knew that they were loaded (handgun, shotgun, and rifle), of course. Ten years later, when my veterinarian boss took me to a Thanksgiving turkey shoot, same thing. Don’t point it at anything other than a target, here’s how you aim, don’t snug it up to your shoulder. Never crossed my mind that I ought to know how to safely load and unload. And I thought that we were safe.

This^^^ is what it’s like, I think, for those who haven’t gone through proper firearms training, which should be required on sets. Again, we don’t know what we don’t know.
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And one of the reasons that many of us don't and can't understand the resistance to gun ownership and shooting sports is because we actively are trained; either formally or by knowledgeable family members. I was RAISED this way. I own my Great Grandfathers 10 gauge single shot shotgun. I have literally been around them all my life and have never killed or shot anyone. I am for strict gun safety laws with pretty much unlimited (there are exceptions) ownership.

Hand GVG a handgun and the first thing she does is lock the slide or open the cylinder. If she can't move the slide she will ask for it to be opened and locked with the mag out.
 
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2 year military enlistment out of HS should be mandatory in this country. Shouldn't be day camp but shouldn't be as hard as basic. Firearms training and some PT with community service. Get paid or get schollie money or something but we would have a much more knowledgeable populace if we did that.
 
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and one of the reasons that many of us don't and can't understand the resistance to gun ownership and shooting sports. I was RAISED this way. I own my Great Grandfathers 10 gauge single shot shotgun. I have literally been around them all my life and have never killed or shot anyone. I am for strict gun safety laws with pretty much unlimited (there are exceptions) ownership.
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And those who weren’t raised around guns generally don’t know this and don’t get this, unless they are introduced to the necessary mindset as part of required training for their jobs. Or go through training on their own initiative.
 
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And those who weren’t raised around guns generally don’t know this and don’t get this, unless they are introduced to the necessary mindset as part of required training for their jobs. Or go through training on their own initiative.
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The issue as far as I see it is we have become a nation where half the population are scared of guns because all they know is that they kill people. How does one change that?
 
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