Tennessee considers withholding monoclonal antibody treatment from vaccinated citizens

[AshG]

The Tennessean

Due to a high use of monoclonal antibody treatments in southern states resulting in shortages, Tennessee is considering saving the treatments for the unvaccinated.

 

[LouderVol]

1. This is wrong, only determination should be need. If it needs to be rationed, ration it based on need alone.
2. It will be funny to see the two sides argue their stances.
3. This is wrong.

 

[OHvol40]

The unvaccinated (who are not otherwise CONCLUSIVELY inoculated) that have “done the research” and “evaluated their risk” need to stop showing up at the ED with shortness of breath and sudden loss of taste & smell. You evaluated your risk, now keep your a** at home and take cough syrup and leave the ED beds for old ladies who broke their hips and heart attacks.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Pay wall...

 

[LouderVol]

The unvaccinated (who are not otherwise CONCLUSIVELY inoculated) that have “done the research” and “evaluated their risk” need to stop showing up at the ED with shortness of breath and sudden loss of taste & smell. You evaluated your risk, now keep your a** at home and take cough syrup and leave the ED beds for old ladies who broke their hips and heart attacks.

So the vaxxed should stay home because they already took up resources getting the vax. They also did research and evaluated their risk.

So glad to see your real colors come up. I cant wait to kick out the obese when I need my sniffles checked. They did their research and knew the risks.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

The Tennessean

Due to a high use of monoclonal antibody treatments in southern states resulting in shortages, Tennessee is considering saving the treatments for the unvaccinated.

As you and other liberals have stated for months, the vaccine is the answer.

Vaccinated people have nothing to worry about and don’t need the treatment.

 

[AshG]

So glad to see your real colors come up. I cant wait to kick out the obese when I need my sniffles checked. They did their research and knew the risks.

Not so fast, my friend.

Or they have serious metabolic disorders that are not under control. Or they have a mental illness that is not under control. Or they were immobilized after an accident and lost the ability to exercise. Or...

 

[OHvol40]

So the vaxxed should stay home because they already took up resources getting the vax. They also did research and evaluated their risk.

So glad to see your real colors come up. I cant wait to kick out the obese when I need my sniffles checked. They did their research and knew the risks.

Oh I’ll still be helping to treat these people, because it’s what I signed up for, but I don’t have to like it and I don’t have to feel empathy when they are begging for help and taking up beds for people who actually need them (mainly the elderly).

 

[ClearwaterVol]

So the vaxxed should stay home because they already took up resources getting the vax. They also did research and evaluated their risk.

So glad to see your real colors come up. I cant wait to kick out the obese when I need my sniffles checked. They did their research and knew the risks.

Is there a relationship between the sniffles and body weight because certainly there is a correlation between the unvaccinated and taking up hospital resources. The stupid decisions made are costing people their lives. Quite frankly, if you didn't believe the disease was serious enough to warrant the vaccine, I believe that hospital resources should be allocated to those whose poor decisions didn't land them in the hospital. If there is one bed and two patients... one unvaxed covid patient in dire need of medical care and the victim of a car accident in equal need of medical care the triage should be easy.

 

[AshG]

As you and the other house liberals have stated for months, the vaccine is the answer.

Vaccinated people have nothing to worry about and don’t need the treatment.

Bah. Stop othering people into a binary system that doesn't fit anyone.

I'm the record as recommending the decision to vaccinate be between a person and their medical team.

 

[GVF]

Not so fast, my friend.

Or they have serious metabolic disorders that are not under control. Or they have a mental illness that is not under control. Or they were immobilized after an accident and lost the ability to exercise. Or...

Then they should have already been on top of their game and in the care of family practice or specialist and not taking up emergency service resources.

 

[AshG]

Then they should have already been on top of their game and in the care of family practice or specialist and not taking up emergency service resources.

Live with multiple chronic illnesses, then come talk to me. It's life in a house of cards even with a multi doctor team supervising care.

 

[GVF]

Is there a relationship between the sniffles and body weight because certainly there is a correlation between the unvaccinated taking up hospital resources. The stupid decisions made are costing people their lives. Quite frankly, if you didn't believe the disease was serious enough to warrant the vaccine, I believe that hospital resources should be allocated to those whose poor decisions didn't land them in the hospital. If their is one bed and two patients... one unvaxed covid patient in dire need of medical care and the victim of a car accident in equal need of medical care the triage should be easy.

To make a choice based on vaxed or not violates the doctor's oath. The only decision should be based on severity. It also violates constitutional freedom.

If I'm a doctor and that accident victim was due his being under the influence, that's a stupid decision and I'm giving priority to an unvaccinated patient. There may be a valid reason to remain unvaccinated, but there is no good reason for DUI.

 

[LouderVol]

Not so fast, my friend.

Or they have serious metabolic disorders that are not under control. Or they have a mental illness that is not under control. Or they were immobilized after an accident and lost the ability to exercise. Or...

And the vaxxed/unvaxxed doesnt get the same consideration? This is why I pointed out it was going to be fun watching the arguments.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

To make a choice based on vaxed or not violates the doctor's oath. The only decision should be based on severity. It also violates constitutional freedom.

If I'm a doctor and that accident victim was due his being under the influence, that's a stupid decision and I'm giving priority to an unvaccinated patient. There may be a valid reason to remain unvaccinated, but there is no good reason for DUI.

I said equal need and nothing about intoxication. Easy triage. Street the unvaccinated.

 

[hog88]

Should the morbidly obese vaxxed get the treatment?

 

[GVF]

Live with multiple chronic illnesses, then come talk to me. It's life in a house of cards even with a multi doctor team supervising care.

Or maybe they're lazy and don't follow the care of their multi-doctor team, wasting the resources of the doctors and the hospital. If they are chronic and under good care and follow the regimen, their care can be from the private offices and little need to occupy emergency resources.

 

[AshG]

And the vaxxed/unvaxxed doesnt get the same consideration? This is why I pointed out it was going to be fun watching the arguments.

This is why there's a triage room, and why lawyers are on standby 24-7.

I don't believe there should be a distinction. If you're sick enough to need it, you're sick enough to need it. Let's get you well and then gripe about the particulars.

 

[GVF]

I said equal need and nothing about intoxication. Easy triage. Street the unvaccinated.

You also didn't say why they were unvaccinated. What if it's a woman trying to get pregnant and can't vaccinate until after child birth? Judgement of others is a slippery slope.

Equal need is equal need. What got you to that point is irrelevant then? You said stupid decisions shouldn't be treated. Shouldn't we find out why that person was in an accident to determine stupidity so we can have an equal playing field.

 

[AshG]

Or maybe they're lazy and don't follow the care of their multi-doctor team, wasting the resources of the doctors and the hospital. If they are chronic and under good care and follow the regimen, their care can be from the private offices and little need to occupy emergency resources.

I am admittedly letting my emotions have too much say, so I will back out of this part of the conversation. When I saw my doctor on a Thursday in 2013, I was fine. By Saturday of that week I was septic. I know from experience how things can turn on a dime even with appropriate care and follow up.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Should the morbidly obese vaxxed get the treatment?

I know several nurses and according to them, this disease appears to affect extremely fat people and diabetics the most negatively.

 

[hog88]

Let's start down this road, should smokers be refused lung cancer treatment or how about drinkers refused liver transplants? Or, or people that can't pay for treatment refused treatment period?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

You also didn't say why they were unvaccinated. What if it's a woman trying to get pregnant and can't vaccinate until after child birth? Judgement of others is a slippery slope.

Because I left out information and made thing equal, but I will indulge you. Let's say the accident victim was not at fault in the accident and the unvaxxed was just one of those that did their own research and decided it was not for them. Easy triage... street the unvaxed.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Let's start down this road, should smokers be refused lung cancer treatment or how about drinkers refused liver transplants? Or, or people that can't pay for treatment refused treatment period?

If the hospital resources are limited and the choice is between a lung cancer patient who smokes and one that doesn't smoke. Sure street the smoker. Same diff with drinkers, in fact they do just this.

 

[GVF]

I am admittedly letting my emotions have too much say, so I will back out of this part of the conversation. When I saw my doctor on a Thursday in 2013, I was fine. By Saturday of that week I was septic. I know from experience how things can turn on a dime even with appropriate care and follow up.

That is actually an emergency. I'm speaking of all these people, non-covid related, that live in the ER, wasting resources, when there are walk in clinics and doctors offices available. I have never gone to the ER for the flu. If I'm not running a 104 temp, what are they gonna do outside my $800 bill.