Coronavirus (No politics)

[Volprofch05]

Nothing I said was racist or harmful. The virus originated in China hence Chinese virus. If that's too hard for you or others to understand then that's your problem. If that hurts your feelings then go hug more trees. Spanish flu is named after Spain. Spanish flu has been ok for the name for decades yet all of a sudden its not? Again this goes back to a small percentage of the population that are being overly sensitive and trying to tell the majority of the population how they should think and act. I will not play along with that bc I live in a free country and don't have too.

Just a note that the Spanish flu is believed to have not originated in Spain. It ended up being called that because the Spanish media reported on the situation unlike their neighbors, who were embroiled in World War I at the time.

Why Was It Called the 'Spanish Flu?'

 

[Vol Main]

sjt18: "You trust those people. I do not. You assume those like Fauci who direct those narratives and design the strategies are trustworthy and apolitical. I do not."

I stopped right there, because I already set you straight for telling that lie about me. If you are habituated to thinking and telling lies about other people, then you will be doing it behind my back because I am just not interested in knowing you. I do not abide a person thinking things that are not true in order to believe something bad, and you will not stop doing that, so you'll have to do it to somebody else. Gotta hop.

 

[Vol Main]

sjt18: "You trust those people. I do not. You assume those like Fauci who direct those narratives and design the strategies are trustworthy and apolitical. I do not."

I stopped right there, because I already set you straight about telling that lie about me. If you are so habituated to thinking things that are not true in order to believe something bad, then you will be doing it behind my back because I am just not interested in knowing you.

 

[JCHateSteve]

I work on a covid unit, most there you wonder why they are even there, no symptoms at all. Not taking the vaccine if someone chooses works as well. Personally I'm glad you are doing well because I need you to scream at the Pitt Coach Saturday

I'm honestly not convinced it wasn't a false positive. I have no idea how I would have gotten exposed and my symptoms seemed to responded to an antibiotic. I guess we'll see when the wife and daughters tests come back. I'm pretty annoyed it took my test so long to come back though. If I really did have it, I guess I have more immunity now. Either way, everyone in my house seems to be doing well today. Mrs. HateSteve appears to be on the mend, so it seems to be taking the same course mine did.

 

[chrismc1000]

Just a note that the Spanish flu is believed to have not originated in Spain. It ended up being called that because the Spanish media reported on the situation unlike their neighbors, who were embroiled in World War I at the time.

Why Was It Called the 'Spanish Flu?'

Believed as in no evidence as in we still call it the Spanish flu be as far as we know it came from Spain.

 

[chrismc1000]

I think you misread my post. The IFR for Covid is at around .1% (agreeing with your 99.9% survival rate)... and it is dropping as more people have the virus, recover, and attain lasting immunity.

I didn't bring up the Spanish flu yet but it killed around 5% of the world's total population at the time. It was FAR worse than Covid would have ever been even if we had done next to nothing except work on treatments for the ill.

I agree with and have actually said everything you posted. Are you sure you responded to the right guy?

My point was that neither the vaccine at a .002% mortality rate or the virus at an average IFR of .1% but closer to .01% or lower for those under 50 presents a significant risk to people.

However, we do not know the long term risks of the vaccines or even severe cases that might occur among the unvaccinated.

Studies are showing that if you have had the virus, recovered, and acquired antibody memory from the experience... you have a high, possibly 100%, immunity to the virus for an extended period. The latest study is up to 1 year. The Israeli data suggests a longer period for at least part of the population. Only 70 or so people in a study there of 7000 new infections were reinfections. About 1.15 million people there have had Covid. That suggests an incredibly high level of resistance in recoverees.

About 15% or so of Israelis have had confirmed Covid cases. Only 1% of new infections are reinfections. About 70% of their population has been vaccinated. In that same 7000 person group, 40% of new infections were fully vaccinated. Any way you slice or dice that data... natural immunity is superior and safer than the vaccines.

I may not have responded to the right person sorry was a hectic day for me yesterday at work and jumping around tryn to answer all the notifications I had. That's my fault sorry.

 

[sjt18]

I may not have responded to the right person sorry was a hectic day for me yesterday at work and jumping around tryn to answer all the notifications I had. That's my fault sorry.

Thanks. I think you and I are aligned on this. It is hard to stay sympathetic in conversations like this. Usually people who are worked up have lost someone so they really don't want to hear that our leaders have failed us, masks don't work, or that the vaccines aren't as good as what we were sold. When you are hurt that deeply, facts tend not to matter as much and especially if you find them objectionable.

My father in law died with Covid. He had long running lung disease, caught it, recovered, then relapsed and died. He was the last of our parents so that was tough. But saving lives depends on the raw truth and intelligent decisions made on good information. I am not comfortable that our "leaders and experts" have or are giving us the facts. I think they're manipulating us through a "narrative" that is more political and business than health.

 

[Volprofch05]

Believed as in no evidence as in we still call it the Spanish flu be as far as we know it came from Spain.

Evidence supports that it didn’t originate in Spain

 

[OldandStillaVol]

Thanks. I think you and I are aligned on this. It is hard to stay sympathetic in conversations like this. Usually people who are worked up have lost someone so they really don't want to hear that our leaders have failed us, masks don't work, or that the vaccines aren't as good as what we were sold. When you are hurt that deeply, facts tend not to matter as much and especially if you find them objectionable.

My father in law died with Covid. He had long running lung disease, caught it, recovered, then relapsed and died. He was the last of our parents so that was tough. But saving lives depends on the raw truth and intelligent decisions made on good information. I am not comfortable that our "leaders and experts" have or are giving us the facts. I think they're manipulating us through a "narrative" that is more political and business than health.

I am sorry about your father in law. I know you have thought about covid a lot and I applaud your air ventilation efforts for your employees.

I just think you should be cautious about lumping other people in the ‘sheep’ category. I think the vaccines are the best (but not perfect) weapon we have now.

 

[chuckb1448]

I'm honestly not convinced it wasn't a false positive. I have no idea how I would have gotten exposed and my symptoms seemed to responded to an antibiotic. I guess we'll see when the wife and daughters tests come back. I'm pretty annoyed it took my test so long to come back though. If I really did have it, I guess I have more immunity now. Either way, everyone in my house seems to be doing well today. Mrs. HateSteve appears to be on the mend, so it seems to be taking the same course mine did.

People seem to have a difficult time with all the Information out there, that is done for a reason. The sad part is how we are treating healthy individuals as if they are a walking germ. The vaccine Does Not keep you from spreading the virus, so it's a red flag for me. I remember when I was young, going to the Morristown health department to get my immunizations, they Keep me from getting a particular sickness. Now when we get vaccines it's a repetitive process, yearly or whatnot. Why in 1972 you could get shots that eliminated the probability that you would contract something yet 40 years later with Science we cant produce a one time hit of a vaccine to protect you? Money.... Big Pharma is making a killing hoss..... I digress, at least for today lol

 

[MAD]

St. Claire Regional Medical Center in Morehead, about 65 miles east of Lexington, is one of the hardest-hit due to the influx of Covid-19 patients. It's the largest health care facility serving 11 counties in rural northeastern Kentucky and is currently at 130% above capacity.
The hospital had to close three operating rooms to expand ICU bed space.

 

[chrismc1000]

Evidence supports that it didn’t originate in Spain

If thats the case then the name would have changed

 

[SN-A-C Orange]

... The Israeli data suggests a longer period for at least part of the population. Only 70 or so people in a study there of 7000 new infections were reinfections. About 1.15 million people there have had Covid. That suggests an incredibly high level of resistance in recoverees.

About 15% or so of Israelis have had confirmed Covid cases. Only 1% of new infections are reinfections. About 70% of their population has been vaccinated. In that same 7000 person group, 40% of new infections were fully vaccinated. Any way you slice or dice that data... natural immunity is superior and safer than the vaccines.

We might also need to consider if the re-infections are same variant re-infections. Just as there are various flu variants, there are various covid variants and getting a different variant of covid is not really a re-infection, imho.

 

[Danl]

If thats the case then the name would have changed

Lots of data about this available online. I.e......

Spanish Flu

 

[Volprofch05]

If thats the case then the name would have changed

For the general population to refer to it by more accurate names that exist (such as the H1N1 virus or the 1918/great influenza pandemic), people need to first know and care about history

 

[1967vol]

You have the right to believe anything you want. You can even choose to watch CNN like a mindless sheep and think you’re actually watching news if you want.
But you don’t have the right to force other people to believe what you believe. Being vaccinated doesn’t stop you from getting covid or spreading it or dying from it. I know firsthand that isn’t the case.
I know you’re scared. It’s ok. Change the channel and educate yourself. Push your ignorant, misinformed agenda on other people and things probably won’t work out too well for you

I am not trying to force anything on anyone. Just stating my opinion as you are stating yours. I suggest you go to any of the hospitals in your area and do a small study on who has been admitted and their vaccination status. Then come back and give us your NEW opinion. No vaccination is 100% effective against acquiring a disease, but it greatly reduces your risk of serious disease. Even the Polio vaccine does not give 100% protection against Polio, but it does give nearly 100% protection from crippling disease.

 

[SN-A-C Orange]

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My father in law died with Covid. He had long running lung disease, caught it, recovered, then relapsed and died. He was the last of our parents so that was tough. But saving lives depends on the raw truth and intelligent decisions made on good information. I am not comfortable that our "leaders and experts" have or are giving us the facts. I think they're manipulating us through a "narrative" that is more political and business than health.

Also, lost my Father in Law to covid. We need to realize that there is a principle of "need to know." Do not really like "need to know" because it clashes with my desire for transparency.
However, I can see as a parent (and in business) ... how I keep some things from people. I have been known to be 'too transparent.'
I realize there are things governments/politicians keep hidden ... BUT I absolutely hate being lied to ... for this reason ... my confidence in politicians is at an all time low.
For what it is worth, I am an apolitical independent ... I vote for people, not political ideologies. Last election I did a write in for president ... yes, I no ... in Tennessee that was a throw away vote.

 

[Regulator]

I work on a covid unit, most there you wonder why they are even there, no symptoms at all. Not taking the vaccine if someone chooses works as well. Personally I'm glad you are doing well because I need you to scream at the Pitt Coach Saturday

Curious as to where you work because that’s not our experience here in WNC. We’re getting people set up with home O2 in order to keep them out of our already overpopulated ICU, ER, and Covid unit.

 

[sjt18]

Also, lost my Father in Law to covid. We need to realize that there is a principle of "need to know." Do not really like "need to know" because it clashes with my desire for transparency.
However, I can see as a parent (and in business) ... how I keep some things from people. I have been known to be 'too transparent.'
I realize there are things governments/politicians keep hidden ... BUT I absolutely hate being lied to ... for this reason ... my confidence in politicians is at an all time low.
For what it is worth, I am an apolitical independent ... I vote for people, not political ideologies. Last election I did a write in for president ... yes, I no ... in Tennessee that was a throw away vote.

I am an ideologue constitutional conservative. If you ask yourself what will protect the rights fundamental rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of all... and what preserves the most freedom for the most people at the same time... you can answer questions for me.

Being stuck on ideals like that... it has come to a point where I can never vote for a Democrat. They are just too far off on too many issues related to rights and freedoms. Even those who aren't... empower those who are. That said... I don't trust the Republicans much either. They often say the right things then do the opposite.

I voted 3rd party because of Trump's character and lack of truthfulness. He wrote in "The Art of the Deal" that he uses "truthful hyperbole" to convince people to take the deal he's offering. That's another way of saying that he manipulates people with emotion evoking "white lies". Still dishonest.

I wanted to vote Libertarian but they once again violated what should be a basic premise for anyone claiming to hold the rights of the individual sacred by running a pro-abortion candidate. They had a guy from Texas who wanted to rightly return it to the states but defeated him. In the end I voted for an obscure "conservative" party as a statement though I wouldn't have actually wanted them to win.


You can never trust any fallen, sinful human being or small group of them with the kind of power that Fauci and a few others have assumed. It always results in a violation of individual rights and freedoms.

 

[Regulator]

Hell, we had to wean a patient off of a vent Monday in order to have it for another patient later that morning.

 

[sjt18]

Curious as to where you work because that’s not our experience here in WNC. We’re getting people set up with home O2 in order to keep them out of our already overpopulated ICU, ER, and Covid unit.

Not sure where you are but your experience is not aligned with the overall state ICU bed usage. About 2/3's are in use for ALL causes across NC. A little less than half or about 1/3 are Covid patients.

 

[sjt18]

We might also need to consider if the re-infections are same variant re-infections. Just as there are various flu variants, there are various covid variants and getting a different variant of covid is not really a re-infection, imho.

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that if natural immunity protects someone from the Delta Variant it really isn't protecting them from reinfection?

Natural immunity so far appears to be holding against variants. Those promoting the vaccines speculate that they're equally effective against variants as against the original virus.... but the hard stats on the true effectiveness of the vaccines has not been published yet. We just know that the numbers coming out on the number of breakthrough cases cannot align with earlier vaccine claims.

 

[chrismc1000]

For the general population to refer to it by more accurate names that exist (such as the H1N1 virus or the 1918/great influenza pandemic), people need to first know and care about history

Names of anything that's monumental change over time depending on the moment in history. Still doesn't negate the fact that today's pandemic is Chinese virus

 

[Volprofch05]

Names of anything that's monumental change over time depending on the moment in history. Still doesn't negate the fact that today's pandemic is Chinese virus

I'd argue it's more that once we collectively latch onto an accepted name, then it becomes set in stone, even if our understanding of the situation changes considerably over time. And yes, I'm not debating the origins of the current pandemic. Ironically, theories of the origins of the 1918 pandemic have pointed to France, Britain, the US, or China. If the latter is true then you'd have to differentiate between two "Chinese viruses."

 

[1967vol]

I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that if natural immunity protects someone from the Delta Variant it really isn't protecting them from reinfection?

Natural immunity so far appears to be holding against variants. Those promoting the vaccines speculate that they're equally effective against variants as against the original virus.... but the hard stats on the true effectiveness of the vaccines has not been published yet. We just know that the numbers coming out on the number of breakthrough cases cannot align with earlier vaccine claims.

I do believe natural immunity is at least as effective as the vaccine. But, what are you suggesting about this? Do you recommend that people get infected in order to get natural immunity, or take the vaccine in order to get their protection against bad outcomes of the virus? And I know you know that there have been people who have been infected more than once.