Coronavirus (No politics)

[cHiZzLeVOL]

totally agree...

and ive heard in talking to PharmD that based on previous vaccines it cannot be spread from one vaxxed person to another. Funny, Doc friends didnt really want to give any opinion on it.

At any rate appreciate the info. Good to hear.

I’ve heard many Briefings (from people in the know) on the mRNA vaccines and all of them are positive. There hasn’t been anything negative regarding Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

The only bad things I’ve heard about the COVID vaccine was regarding the Johnson and Johnson and before the blood clot issues with it, was advised that it was not a good vaccine to receive. It is not anywhere close to as effective as the mRNA vaccines and it only provides protection against one strain.

 

[Rizzo924]

Your vaccine decreases the chance of you getting it and even more importantly of you not spreading it to someone that it could kill or devastate…just like every other vaccine.

The one thing that California has gotten right, an unvaccinated child cannot attend a public school system. That’s in regards to the standard childhood vaccines mumps, measles, rubella, chicken pox, polio, small pox, etc. The state didn’t mandate that you vaccinate your children, but if you don’t, they are not allowed to endanger others…

I think that is a reasonable idea. You actually have to have all of your childhood vaccines current to attend any college in the USA. What’s one more?
Prior to this rule, I got to see first hand what happens without vaccines.
There was a measles outbreak at Georgia Tech and as a medical student, I helped take care of a Sophomore that got measles pneumonia and was in the ICU for months. Nearly died. Otherwise totally healthy, but unvaccinated. Vaccines save lives.

That’s not political, it’s a great rule for the right reason. It’s unfortunate that the politicians, media and internet have turned this pandemic into a political arena.
I think it’s as simple as every other required vaccine. You have the right to not get the vaccines. The consequence is that you aren’t allowed to attend a US college or university. If you are already admitted, then to sign up for your next semester, you must provide your complete vaccination record. No one bitches about the chicken pox vaccine…

But the covid vaccine is not just like any other vaccine. I have concerns about the lack of long-term testing and also about mRNA.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

But the covid vaccine is not just like any other vaccine. I have concerns about the lack of long-term testing and also about mRNA.

Lack of long term testing is a myth. They have been testing mRNA vaccines for over 10 years. They finally received big Pharma endorsement during the pandemic to mass produce mRNA vaccines. This endorsement allowed them to build the infrastructure to mass produce these vaccines which they didn’t have the funding to do before.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Lack of long term testing is a myth. They have been testing mRNA vaccines for over 10 years. They finally received big Pharma endorsement during the pandemic to mass produce mRNA vaccines. This endorsement allowed them to build the infrastructure to mass produce these vaccines which they didn’t have the funding to do before.

Sadly more than anything, this is why COVID was leveraged as a political thing. We have to be a leader in medical as a country imo and underfunding that area bit us in the ass.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I’ve heard many Briefings (from people in the know) on the mRNA vaccines and all of them are positive. There hasn’t been anything negative regarding Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

The only bad things I’ve heard about the COVID vaccine was regarding the Johnson and Johnson and before the blood clot issues with it, was advised that it was not a good vaccine to receive. It is not anywhere close to as effective as the mRNA vaccines and it only provides protection against one strain.

MRNA has been in development for decades. J&J was developed for underdeveloped nations and would a great option for kids, imho.

Pfizer and Moderna research is solid. Still 80-90 for Delta.

 

[bluegrasser]

Sadly more than anything, this is why COVID was leveraged as a political thing. We have to be a leader in medical as a country imo and underfunding that area bit us in the ass.

I’m a simple cave man, but is the mRNA developments what I keep seeing as holding promise for a lot of future vaccines - like even for possible cancer applications?
Or have I mixed several different topics?

 

[Weezer]

Sadly more than anything, this is why COVID was leveraged as a political thing. We have to be a leader in medical as a country imo and underfunding that area bit us in the ass.

It was leveraged as a political thing because the left saw an opportunity to turn it into a weapon against the right who were, at the time, in control. Given the chance, the right will try to return the favor in the next election. Things are only ever made political when one party or the other sees it as a chance to gain power.

 

[utchs81]

But yet the vaccine don’t stop you from getting it. So in essence if you get it then you can still pass it on to try grandparents rather they been vaccinated or not. I read everyday where someone was fully vaccinated but yet still got it and are symptomatic.

Key word there should be Asymptomatic meaning they won't die from the illness. In reality illness can occur but is far and away significantly reduced in severity.

 

[Glitch]

Your vaccine decreases the chance of you getting it and even more importantly of you not spreading it to someone that it could kill or devastate…just like every other vaccine.

The one thing that California has gotten right, an unvaccinated child cannot attend a public school system. That’s in regards to the standard childhood vaccines mumps, measles, rubella, chicken pox, polio, small pox, etc. The state didn’t mandate that you vaccinate your children, but if you don’t, they are not allowed to endanger others…

I think that is a reasonable idea. You actually have to have all of your childhood vaccines current to attend any college in the USA. What’s one more?
Prior to this rule, I got to see first hand what happens without vaccines.
There was a measles outbreak at Georgia Tech and as a medical student, I helped take care of a Sophomore that got measles pneumonia and was in the ICU for months. Nearly died. Otherwise totally healthy, but unvaccinated. Vaccines save lives.

That’s not political, it’s a great rule for the right reason. It’s unfortunate that the politicians, media and internet have turned this pandemic into a political arena.
I think it’s as simple as every other required vaccine. You have the right to not get the vaccines. The consequence is that you aren’t allowed to attend a US college or university. If you are already admitted, then to sign up for your next semester, you must provide your complete vaccination record. No one bitches about the chicken pox vaccine…

All of my children are completely vaccinated for all the standard stuff. That is because there were years and years of research and testing and usage to show that they were safe. Parents (for the most part) don't question those vaccines because if they have questions about them, someone is willing and able to answer their questions and put their worries to rest. This vaccine does not have those years of research and testing behind it to back it up and when someone wants to ask a question about what they are about to inject their child with they are told to just shut up and vax up. Ummm, I'm sorry. This is my child. Not a lab animal.

The FACTS are:

a) that children are less likely to contract covid because they naturally have fewer of the ACE receptors that covid latches onto to infect someone.
b) that children are often times asymptomatic and have very mild cases if they do contract covid.
c) that there are few if any known cases of a child passing covid to an adult.
d) the vaccine has shown to have more severe adverse affect in children and there is not enough data to understand why that is happening.
e) other countries have halted their vaccine programs in children because of the adverse side effects on young people.

I respect you greatly Doc but I will not be getting my children vaccinated and they will not be wearing a mask when they return to school. After seeing how the masks affected my two youngest daughters last year, this is a hill I am willing to die on.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I’m a simple cave man, but is the mRNA developments what I keep seeing as holding promise for a lot of future vaccines - like even for possible cancer applications?
Or have I mixed several different topics?

I'm not sure of that specifically. I do know that funding was drastically reduced during the last administration and then COVID hit and we looked as unprepared as you'd expect us to be.

But a well funded disease prevention organization will have impact in all/every avenue of the medical field with carryover into cancer research as well as vaccinations for viruses like COVID.

 

[ptcarter]

The polio vaccine doesn't guarantee protection, but it managed to wipe out the disease in the developed world.

Tennessee's luck is such that it will reemerge and we will have to forfeit a game because one of our guys came down with Polio.

 

[RikidyBones]

Your vaccine decreases the chance of you getting it and even more importantly of you not spreading it to someone that it could kill or devastate…just like every other vaccine.

The one thing that California has gotten right, an unvaccinated child cannot attend a public school system. That’s in regards to the standard childhood vaccines mumps, measles, rubella, chicken pox, polio, small pox, etc. The state didn’t mandate that you vaccinate your children, but if you don’t, they are not allowed to endanger others…

I think that is a reasonable idea. You actually have to have all of your childhood vaccines current to attend any college in the USA. What’s one more?
Prior to this rule, I got to see first hand what happens without vaccines.
There was a measles outbreak at Georgia Tech and as a medical student, I helped take care of a Sophomore that got measles pneumonia and was in the ICU for months. Nearly died. Otherwise totally healthy, but unvaccinated. Vaccines save lives.

That’s not political, it’s a great rule for the right reason. It’s unfortunate that the politicians, media and internet have turned this pandemic into a political arena.
I think it’s as simple as every other required vaccine. You have the right to not get the vaccines. The consequence is that you aren’t allowed to attend a US college or university. If you are already admitted, then to sign up for your next semester, you must provide your complete vaccination record. No one bitches about the chicken pox vaccine…

I agree once we have the same long term information as the others. Requiring an emergency vaccine would have been scoffed at just two years ago for good reason. No sense in abandoning that logic because of fear. The logic exists for a reason.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

It was leveraged as a political thing because the left saw an opportunity to turn it into a weapon against the right who were, at the time, in control. Given the chance, the right will try to return the favor in the next election. Things are only ever made political when one party or the other sees it as a chance to gain power.

Truth. Really hate politics.

 

[Glitch]

Also Greg Sankey/SEC isn't trying to "protect" the athletes. If you have 80% vaccinations you're no longer required as a team to do the same level of COVID testing. So being tested less often = less positive test results = less likely to have teams ineligible to play games = more games played = $$$$

And if you have 85% of the team (this includes coaches/staff) vaccinated you can lift most other NCAA related restrictions for COVID protocol.

Do they not care about the data coming out of places like Israel and Germany that show that young people (especially young men) have been developing myocarditis and pericarditis after receiving the covid vaccine? No? Just damn the torpedoes and vax away?

 

[MoCo_Vol]

All of my children are completely vaccinated for all the standard stuff. That is because there were years and years of research and testing and usage to show that they were safe. Parents (for the most part) don't question those vaccines because if they have questions about them, someone is willing and able to answer their questions and put their worries to rest. This vaccine does not have those years of research and testing behind it to back it up and when someone wants to ask a question about what they are about to inject their child with they are told to just shut up and vax up. Ummm, I'm sorry. This is my child. Not a lab animal.

The FACTS are:

a) that children are less likely to contract covid because they naturally have fewer of the ACE receptors that covid latches onto to infect someone.
b) that children are often times asymptomatic and have very mild cases if they do contract covid.
c) that there are few if any known cases of a child passing covid to an adult.
d) the vaccine has shown to have more severe adverse affect in children and there is not enough data to understand why that is happening.
e) other countries have halted their vaccine programs in children because of the adverse side effects on young people.

I respect you greatly Doc but I will not be getting my children vaccinated and they will not be wearing a mask when they return to school. After seeing how the masks affected my two youngest daughters last year, this is a hill I am willing to die on.

Then are you willing to home school your children?

 

[bamawriter]

Tennessee's luck is such that it will reemerge and we will have to forfeit a game because one of our guys came down with Polio.

Ha.

As ridiculous as that seems on its face, UT really has been on the s*** end of several crazy firsts over the past decade and change. I suppose one shouldn't rule out even the slimmest possibility.

 

[Glitch]

Then are you willing to home school your children?

I will home school them or put them in a private school.

And so will a lot of other parents who have concerns about sticking our kids with unnecessary medicine.

 

[Jaws]

Might want to take a look at Clay's update regarding that tweet.

I saw it, correction and acknowledgment was noted in subsequent posts.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Do they not care about the data coming out of places like Israel and Germany that show that young people (especially young men) have been developing myocarditis and pericarditis after receiving the covid vaccine? No? Just damn the torpedoes and vax away?

You're twisting it a bit. SEC and Greg Sankey want to make money, and they do that by having televised games & full stadiums.

If the NCAA has a protocol for a certain amount of regular testing that basically goes away or drastically gets reduced once a team has 80% of their players vaccinated then that's what they want.

The rest of the debate/talking points aren't really something they (SEC/Sankey) care about. They know that teams with 80% vaccination get tested far less and are then less likely to have positive test and need to potentially miss games.

 

[bignewt]

Do they not care about the data coming out of places like Israel and Germany that show that young people (especially young men) have been developing myocarditis and pericarditis after receiving the covid vaccine? No? Just damn the torpedoes and vax away?

which one? There are three.

 

[Weezer]

Truth. Really hate politics.

Politicians are meant to serve the citizenry in our country. Somehow in our near 250 years as a country, that has been forgotten, and the citizenry serves the politicians.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I will home school them or put them in a private school.

And so will a lot of other parents who have concerns about sticking our kids with unnecessary medicine.

As long as you're willing to do those things I'm not sure what the problem is.

I have zero intentions of my son being vaccinated and if that means he can't attend public school then he won't. I'm not going to dwell on it anymore than that.

 

[Vols4us]

Since experimental, emergency approved COVID vaxes have solved all the concerns per folks on here, we are free to play football in packed houses this fall. Amirite? Well, at least until the next "pandemic" arrives.

Since today is COVID discussion day in here - I have one for the resident experts on VN. Recently had my blood tested for COVID antibodies. Positive. Had COVID like symptoms in Feb/March of 2020 that knocked me back a little, but still functioning. Got treated with prednisone for "allergy ear" symptoms. Still have the allergy ear come and go for a day or two nearly 1.5 years later. No vax. Around many people who contracted COVID - family, friends as well as whoever else had it in stores, restaurants, etc. since that time. Would quarantine when I knew about it. Have had no issues at all medically since that point other than the allergy ear. I use the natural immunology approach with proper diet, sunshine and supplements.

Am I a walking time bomb that will expose the world to COVID and deserving of being refused the opportunity to live my best life because I am not vaxed even after knowing I have antibodies in my system? If I was a football player, why should I take an experimental, emergency use only approved vax when I have the antibodies in my system?

Go.

 

[bignewt]

Since experimental, emergency approved COVID vaxes have solved all the concerns per folks on here, we are free to play football in packed houses this fall. Amirite? Well, at least until the next "pandemic" arrives.

Since today is COVID discussion day in here - I have one for the resident experts on VN. Recently had my blood tested for COVID antibodies. Positive. Had COVID like symptoms in Feb/March of 2020 that knocked me back a little, but still functioning. Got treated with prednisone for "allergy ear" symptoms. Still have the allergy ear come and go for a day or two nearly 1.5 years later. No vax. Around many people who contracted COVID - family, friends as well as whoever else had it in stores, restaurants, etc. since that time. Would quarantine when I knew about it. Have had no issues at all medically since that point other than the allergy ear. I use the natural immunology approach with proper diet, sunshine and supplements.

Am I a walking time bomb that will expose the world to COVID and deserving of being refused the opportunity to live my best life because I am not vaxed even after knowing I have antibodies in my system? If I was a football player, why should I take an experimental, emergency use only approved vax when I have the antibodies in my system?

Go.

because its a vax and if you are healthy you will have no issues and you will be able to play without being tested constantly. If you want to win, get vaxxed.

 

[J C Higgins]

Physicians sign death certificates, not hospitals. And physicians have no financial incentive to list COVID as cause of death like hospitals do or did. So unless hospitals were in cahoots with physicians to have death certificates falsely signed off as COVID related (either with COVID as cause of death or directly contributing to death) its very unlikely that happened. The hospital administrator would be fired and or sent to jail for falsifying Medicare documents and the hospital would be fined huge amounts. If you KNOW of a hospital that did that please advise and I will file a whistleblower complaint, or you could do the same and reap the financial reward.

Death certificates list the cause of death and any immediately related contributing factors so if a person died that had heart disease, tested positive for COVID AND had symptoms and lab finding to support that COVID infection contributed to his/her dealth the death certificates would so state... and that would be a COVID related death. However, if a person dies from some other cause and only tested positive for COVID without having any clinical or lab findings to support that COVID was a directly related cause of death that would not count as a COVID related.