Coronavirus (No politics)

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JohnnyJava said:
This has actually been corrected in your linked article to 60% of hospitalizations being from those who are completely unvaccinated. Out of about 15% of the British population above 18 who have not been vaccinated. So 15% account for 60 percent of hospitalizations, whereas 85 percent who have received at least one dose account for 40 percent. Do the math and it means that the hospitalization rate for completely unvaccinated is over 8x higher than people who have received at least one dose. The vaccines are effective. Assuming no long term effects are noted, the vaccines are, to this point, life savers.
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Britain is over 30% unvaxxed, but less than 15% of folks over 50 are unvaxxed. It is still true that you are much more likely to get seriously ill or die if you remain unvaccinated, and this is even more true if you are in the younger age groups.
 
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CINCYVOL said:
Read an article that said 32% weren’t vaccinated but COVID numbers were going up in every state, which makes me question the math. It also seems that deaths are down, and there are more reported negative events caused by the vaccine. It think I’ll stay where I’m at with not getting the vaccine for now.
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I don't think we're all that close to 68% vaxxed, but it is true that our numbers of hospitalization and deaths are down from even 3 or 4 months ago. What is also true is that the serious illnesses that are still out there are weighted heavily toward the unvaccinated populations.

It is completely untrue that there are more "negative events" from the vaccines than infection. So far, the Covid vaccines aren't producing side effects that are out of line with the vaccines we've been using for decades.
 
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bamawriter said:
The issue really shouldn't be a question of getting infected. No vaccine is 100%, and we know that the current vaccines aren't as effective against the delta variant as they are against the first couple of strains. What we hope is that the vaccines reduce the likelihood of hospitalizations and death. According to the corrected article, 60% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated folks. In the UK, just over 30% of the population remains unvaxxed. So, clearly, the vaccines are not perfect. But the greater risk exists for those that remain unvaccinated.
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This, exactly. The silly, unnecessarily politically based, anti-vaccine movement in the name of "freedom" is one of the stupidest things I've seen in modern society. There are places in the world begging for the vaccine and we have public figures and others using anti-vaxx rhetoric, which used to be limited to radical hippie and anti-government conspiracy radicals, for self-interests. Just get it, as it makes a significant dent in the virus' effect on our society, and pretend we have some sanity left, while Jonas Saulk rolls over in his grave at the current levels of discussion.
 
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Unimane said:
This, exactly. The silly, unnecessarily politically based, anti-vaccine movement in the name of "freedom" is one of the stupidest things I've seen in modern society. There are places in the world begging for the vaccine and we have public figures and others using anti-vaxx rhetoric, which used to be limited to radical hippie and anti-government conspiracy radicals, for self-interests. Just get it, as it makes a significant dent in the virus' effect on our society, and pretend we have some sanity left, as Jonas Saulk rolls over in his grave.
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I will say that is is really odd that vaccine resistance has morphed from a conceit of wealthy, white liberal enclaves like SoCal, Seattle, and the Twin Cities to a conceit of the Trump wing of the Republican party. You used to never find an American who touted Andrew Wakefield without also supporting Obama. The anti-vaxx movement shifted hard right in a very short amount of time.
 
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bamawriter said:
I will say that is is really odd that vaccine resistance has morphed from a conceit of wealthy, white liberal enclaves like SoCal, Seattle, and the Twin Cities to a conceit of the Trump wing of the Republican party. You used to never find an American who touted Andrew Wakefield without also supporting Obama. The anti-vaxx movement shifted hard right in a very short amount of time.
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Oh, it's still there on the hard left, too. I am decided left in my views, but I get inundated with the anti-Covid vaxx stuff from my granola ex-wife about our teenage son getting the shots. It's a weird confluence.
 
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bamawriter said:
I don't think we're all that close to 68% vaxxed, but it is true that our numbers of hospitalization and deaths are done from even 3 or 4 months ago. What is also true is that the serious illnesses that are still out there are weighted heavily toward the unvaccinated populations.

It is completely untrue that there are more "negative events" from the vaccines than infection. So far, the Covid vaccines aren't producing side effects that are out of line with the vaccines we've been using for decades.
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I like how you speak with absolute authority, you must be a leading epidemiologist. Where do you get your info? I recently read from a Canadian study that the MRNA spikes are actually causing damage to spinal and brain, and that damage will not regenerate. Not to mention the J&J and the Barres Guillan( think that’s what it’s called) could leave one completely debilitated. I think the bottom line is that no one completely knows the long term effects of these vaccines. I know I don’t trust the govt. enough, nor the media to take the plunge. But do me a favor Bammer, stop trying to flex your medical prowess on a UT football message board.
 
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The better question is will they require vaccinations from the people who donate to the SEC schools to buy season tickets this fall in the full capacity stadiums. I don't think they will turn down money do you. And how many people in the 18 to 22 age group die from the flu.
 
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Unimane said:
This, exactly. The silly, unnecessarily politically based, anti-vaccine movement in the name of "freedom" is one of the stupidest things I've seen in modern society. There are places in the world begging for the vaccine and we have public figures and others using anti-vaxx rhetoric, which used to be limited to radical hippie and anti-government conspiracy radicals, for self-interests. Just get it, as it makes a significant dent in the virus' effect on our society, and pretend we have some sanity left, while Jonas Saulk rolls over in his grave at the current levels of discussion.
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I can’t find it in myself to trust the govt. elected and acronym appointed officials included.
 
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tnhunter 10 said:
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I dont code dude.
 
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CINCYVOL said:
I like how you speak with absolute authority, you must be a leading epidemiologist.
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If you say so.

Where do you get your info? I recently read from a Canadian study that the MRNA spikes are actually causing damage to spinal and brain, and that damage will not regenerate.
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Could you link that? I'd be very interested.

Not to mention the J&J and the Barres Guillan( think that’s what it’s called) could leave one completely debilitated.
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Guillain Barre is a known side effect of many deactivated strain vaccines, including the J&J. It's included in the warning materials of every flu shot. GBS is an auto-immune disorder caused by coming into contact with a virus. You can develop GBS after catching the flu, and it's been seen in Covid patients. So, you can't avoid GBS by remaining unvaccinated. Conversely, it hasn't shown up with the mRNA shots, likely because they don't contain a Covid strain.

I think the bottom line is that no one completely knows the long term effects of these vaccines.
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That's inarguably true. It's also true of the virus itself.

I know I don’t trust the govt. enough, nor the media to take the plunge. But do me a favor Bammer, stop trying to flex your medical prowess on a UT football message board.
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I have no medical prowess beyond the ability to read the English language.
 
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CINCYVOL said:
I can’t find it in myself to trust the govt. elected and acronym appointed officials included.
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Plenty of folks not in those areas to justify getting the vaccine, though. The problem is people seek out information which they feel confirms their predetermined position on the matter and the politicization of the vaccine has accelerated this process. Thus, they point out certain articles or supposed facts which they feel back up their beliefs and ignore those which don't. But, it's simply better to look at the overwhelming support for this from the medical community and try to avoid the noise. Sure, they could be wrong, but the likelihood is not high, subject to peer review and there will always be a small number of exceptions in the medical field for anything anyway.

But, I do feel your concern about trusting government officials with interests in mind, but I think most, in my experience, are fairly dedicated to their work. It certainly isn't unreasonable to want to trust something beyond those folks, though, and, fortunately, there are.
 
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Jaws said:
I’ve lived in FL the whole time during the pandemic. I’m doing fine, everyone I know is doing great, people who live here are extremely happy about it and people are moving here at a Warpspeed pace.

We enjoy our freedom, we don’t allow politicians to dictate our vaccination choices, and we live and let live. We’re free. If you can’t accept that, don’t come, or wear a mask up to your eyeballs if you so choose. Floridians will be fine either way.
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I dont always agree with Jaws on this website, but when he's right, he's right........I live in Orlando and everyone I know has done well. And I've never seen a wave of transplant new residents in my life........houses cant go on the market or be built fast enough for the demand.........I will definitely vote for DeSantis if he makes the run for the White House.
 
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NATHAN05 said:
I dont always agree with Jaws on this website, but when he's right, he's right........I live in Orlando and everyone I know has done well. And I've never seen a wave of transplant new residents in my life........houses cant go on the market or be built fast enough for the demand.........I will definitely vote for DeSantis if he makes the run for the White House.
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I think DeSantis has done an admirable job with managing the virus, especially in a state with such a large number of seniors. I'd vote for him if the election were tomorrow. I simply dread the possibility of Trump kneecapping him.
 
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bamawriter said:
Not true. Lost a starting o-lineman for a game. Lost some backups a couple of other times. Had various coaches out for Kentucky, Auburn (including Saban), LSU, and Arkansas.

Butch Jones had to fill in as RB coach for 2 games, so I challenge you to show me another program that was as negatively affected.
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LMAO. I bet Butch was *****ing bricks. Probably the RB corps too.
 
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Unimane said:
Plenty of folks not in those areas to justify getting the vaccine, though. The problem is people seek out information which they feel confirms their predetermined position on the matter and the politicization of the vaccine has accelerated this process. Thus, they point out certain articles or supposed facts which they feel back up their beliefs. But, it's simply better to look at the overwhelming support for this from the medical community and try to avoid the noise. Sure, they could be wrong, but the likelihood is not high and there will always be a small number of exceptions in the medical field for anything anyway.

But, I do feel your concern about trusting government officials with interests in mind, but I think most, in my experience, are fairly dedicated to their work. It certainly isn't unreasonable to want to trust something beyond those folks, though, and, fortunately, there are.
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Ya, no. My wife is a medical professional who has looked into the vaccine and refused it. I'll trust her and my Dr.'s advice over the "overwhelming" reporters that say its safe. Even though I'm sure it was a outlier my co-worker got the shot and now drinking milk makes him rash up and throat fill like its shutting.

I don't belittle anyone that wants to take it, I just don't get why those that feel they should get it think the ones that don't are brain washed rightwingers. I know a lot of the R's that took it, and a lot of D's that didn't. I just wish people could live their life. If 90% of the world take it just be happy you should outlast us 10% that didn't
 
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TBvol said:
Anyone goes to Florida without having covid immunity or fully vaccinated is taking their life in their hands.
6 people got it at the job I am on including myself.
I had 1 vaccine and was getting my second when I got infected. 1 person I know of was very close to a ventilator. He is out but will be on oxygen for a couple months if not the rest of his life.
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This is ********. I’ve been to Fla 3 times since Covid hit. You’re far more likely to catch it in downtown Nashville than you are in Fla.
 
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VolBricks said:
This is not pointed directly at you it just needs to be said.

No where in the definition of the word Vaccine does it say you cannot get a virus after having a vaccine.

definition of vaccine - Google Search
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Yankees had to postpone 2 games this week with Boston over 3 positive tests. All 3 had been vaccinated

5 Texas Democrat legislators tested positive. All were vaccinated.
 
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