President Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Administration

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utvolpj said:
Oh you think he really stood up to China and told them who's boss without any injury to the American consumer?
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The choices with China were to keep unequal trade policies in place or to impose similar tariffs on them. The American public is still hurt either way, just a matter of short or long term pain.
 
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allvol123 said:
Wtf? Where did I say anything was alright? I am claiming the unemployment was on the governors.
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Yeah, they shut down because their health officials spoke up. Just like Trump and Fauci. So clearly not the governors fault either.
You have still yet to commit to holding Biden blameless for the unemployment numbers. Surely you hold the same standard across political lines?
 
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allvol123 said:
How does he force open a state? Now we want Feds overruling the state? Yikes.
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We are right back to where we started. I have said nothing about FORCING states to open. Just like I never said he FORCED states to close.

Trump should have established an atmosphere of calm and trying to figure something else out besides shutting down. Instead he put the fear monger in charge and never once countered the shutdowns or even tried to provide an alternative. You admit this when you say the stimulus was on him but you dont want to see the thought thru the end. Trump fed the shut downs. He should have been starving them.

You keep trying to move the goalposts on what I say to avoid seeing the facts.

Why cant you comment on his treatment of Kemp?
 
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LouderVol said:
Yeah, they shut down because their health officials spoke up. Just like Trump and Fauci. So clearly not the governors fault either.
You have still yet to commit to holding Biden blameless for the unemployment numbers. Surely you hold the same standard across political lines?
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I dont hold Trump blameless. But put far more on the governors.

Biden singlehandledly put people out of work by cancelling keystone. That is an action. Not words.
 
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hog88 said:
Trump made his fair share of mistakes with the pandemic but who here would have rather had Hillary in office at that time? Thinks she would have handled it better?
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Straw man.

Both sucking doesnt excuse, decrease, or make acceptable the sucking that actually happened.

You are just trying to change the subject because you dont have an argument.
 
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LouderVol said:
Straw man.

Both sucking doesnt excuse, decrease, or make acceptable the sucking that actually happened.

You are just trying to change the subject because you dont have an argument.
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I haven't been in this argument. I asked a question.

You are just whining.
 
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hog88 said:
How?
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Not signing the stimulus bills. Not leaving Fauci in charge. Not challenging Kemp when he opened up Georgia in April. Coming out with on point press conferences instead of spitballing UV light. establishing, or ensuring that someone else did, some metric of what is acceptable or when lock downs were needed. Not responding to the political attacks in his Covid response, again if he stays on point he could look a lot better than the toddler he was.
 
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LouderVol said:
We are right back to where we started. I have said nothing about FORCING states to open. Just like I never said he FORCED states to close.

Trump should have established an atmosphere of calm and trying to figure something else out besides shutting down. Instead he put the fear monger in charge and never once countered the shutdowns or even tried to provide an alternative. You admit this when you say the stimulus was on him but you dont want to see the thought thru the end. Trump fed the shut downs. He should have been starving them.

You keep trying to move the goalposts on what I say to avoid seeing the facts.

Why cant you comment on his treatment of Kemp?
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I did comment on Kemp by saying it shows governors had the power. As Kemp showed.

I am not moving goalposts. Unemployment was due in greater part to governors.
 
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allvol123 said:
I dont hold Trump blameless. But put far more on the governors.

Biden singlehandledly put people out of work by cancelling keystone. That is an action. Not words.
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Trump signed the stimulus and expanded federal UE. That has clearly kept people out of work.
 
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LouderVol said:
Not signing the stimulus bills. Not leaving Fauci in charge. Not challenging Kemp when he opened up Georgia in April. Coming out with on point press conferences instead of spitballing UV light. establishing, or ensuring that someone else did, some metric of what is acceptable or when lock downs were needed. Not responding to the political attacks in his Covid response, again if he stays on point he could look a lot better than the toddler he was.
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I agree and I think most members here agree with that as well.
 
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hog88 said:
I haven't been in this argument. I asked a question.

You are just whining.
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yeah, sorry I wasnt part of either insurrection. As far as I know all anyone here does is whine. I just dont reserve all my whining for one side.
 
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