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Rich people in 1971 had a waaaay more comfortable and convenient life than the poorest people today, let’s say people living in Appalachia.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Rich people in 1971 had a waaaay more comfortable and convenient life than the poorest people today, let’s say people living in Appalachia.
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You don't think the government handouts, food stamps, phones, internet etc. make it more convenient now? I mean people on welfare today get free food delivered to their doorsteps with a few clicks of a button. If they have any issues they can pretty much handle it on their government issued phone and internet, something rich people didn't have in 1971. Or most that I knew anyway.
 
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Behr said:
I have a question and I'm being serious. I'm just curious what someone else's thoughts are on something I read from someone I have much respect for. The conversation was on how advanced we are and how many opportunities are available to us now than they were 50 years ago.

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"Even the poorest families today live more comfortable than wealthy people did just a half a century ago".
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I would agree with some but respectfully disagree with some also.
 
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Behr said:
You don't think the government handouts, food stamps, phones, internet etc. make it more convenient now? I mean people on welfare today get free food delivered to their doorsteps with a few clicks of a button. If they have any issues they can pretty much handle it on their government issued phone and internet, something rich people didn't have in 1971. Or most that I knew anyway.
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Ask yourself if you would rather live in the projects now or be one of the wealthiest families that you knew growing up. I wouldn't trade what I grew up with for being one of the poorest now and we were FAR from wealthy.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I would agree with some but respectfully disagree with some also.
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Like what?

To be clear, anytime I can find something wrong with something my dad says I'm all over it, and that's more info than I care to give on that.

When I first read it I had the same reaction as you. I completely disagreed. But being fair and knowing my dad, I read it several times and tried to get what he was saying.

Like I already said, I think he could have said it better, but I get what he's saying and pretty much agree. I believe we do have more, earn more and have more opportunities than any other generation in our history. I mean Kaitlyn Jenner is a "hero".

It's funny that the very next paragraph is on "not getting caught up in one or two details that you disagree with or is misstated and miss the overall concept".
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Ask yourself if you would rather live in the projects now or be one of the wealthiest families that you knew growing up. I wouldn't trade what I grew up with for being one of the poorest now and we were FAR from wealthy.
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That's what I thought at first, but that's not the point.
 
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I'm getting hammered with a thunderstorm. Vibrating the house and lost lectricity twice.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I think it really depends on the situation, where you live, education, motivation etc. For instance, I have a friend that makes a decent living solely from his YOUTUBE channel working from his house. He only has a HS level education, never learned a trade, can’t stand physical labor, but he is very tech savvy. If he was living 50 years ago I doubt he would have the same lifestyle without modern technology. Not sure if this was the perspective you were looking for.
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Behr said:
I have a question and I'm being serious. I'm just curious what someone else's thoughts are on something I read from someone I have much respect for. The conversation was on how advanced we are and how many opportunities are available to us now than they were 50 years ago.

And I quote...

"Even the poorest families today live more comfortable than wealthy people did just a half a century ago".
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I’m not 50, but I’d say physical comforts like A/C, phone, internet, etc are incredibly nice. But the rush, constant demand, never stop going lifestyle of today combined with the anxiety and apprehension of being poor with constant demands to make ends meet negate a lot of those creature comforts
 
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Behr said:
Like what?

To be clear, anytime I can find something wrong with something my dad says I'm all over it, and that's more info than I care to give on that.

When I first read it I had the same reaction as you. I completely disagreed. But being fair and knowing my dad, I read it several times and tried to get what he was saying.

Like I already said, I think he could have said it better, but I get what he's saying and pretty much agree. I believe we do have more, earn more and have more opportunities than any other generation in our history. I mean Kaitlyn Jenner is a "hero".

It's funny that the very next paragraph is on "not getting caught up in one or two details that you disagree with or is misstated and miss the overall concept".
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It's kind of like the factoid I heard a while back. "the poorest 10% in America live better and have more amenities than like 75% of the rest of the world." I don't know if that's true, but it sure could be.
 
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VolInNorthCack said:
It's kind of like the factoid I heard a while back. "the poorest 10% in America live better and have more amenities than like 75% of the rest of the world." I don't know if that's true, but it sure could be.
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I don't think what he said is factually correct, and I was gonna stop reading right there, call him and tell him he was wrong. Lulz. But if you don't get all caught up in the details his point is a good one.

Was a good exercise. Thanks.
 
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One plus to being poor 50 years ago was that if you were in a rural area you did not have much context for understanding what you did not have in a macro sense. You'd know some of what the better off people in your area had, but that's about it.
 
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volfanbill said:
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I’m not 50, but I’d say physical comforts like A/C, phone, internet, etc are incredibly nice. But the rush, constant demand, never stop going lifestyle of today combined with the anxiety and apprehension of being poor with constant demands to make ends meet negate a lot of those creature comforts
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I think hes like me sometimes and doesn't realize how old he is. I think he was off by about 20-25 years and knowing him "wealthy" is just above average (The title he gave the booklet is "What's wrong with being average?") and not the same as rich.
 
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I think rich is viewed differently by all of us. This guy that was once the Bishop in our Church gave a really good talk during sacrament meeting years ago on what it means to be rich and to not be in awe of worldly possessions. In short summary, he and his family (wife and 7 kids) weren’t blessed with great monetary wealth but in his mind he was rich because he had a huge family to share his life with. The talk he gave stuck with me until this day and seems appropriate for this discussion.
 
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rocytop2624 said:
A van by the river in 2021 or a van by the river in 1971.
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PEPPERJAX said:
I think rich is viewed differently by all of us. This guy that was once the Bishop in our Church gave a really good talk during sacrament meeting years ago on what it means to be rich and to not be in awe of worldly possessions. In short summary, he and his family (wife and 7 kids) weren’t blessed with great monetary wealth but in his mind he was rich because he had a huge family to share his life with. The talk he gave stuck with me until this day and seems appropriate for this discussion.
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That's a whole different subject.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I go off the reservation often.
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It's a good message though. It's a hard discussion to have in an open forum like VN in my opinion because you can't tell the wealthy guy that he's not as happy or "rich" as you are because you're closer to your family than he is his.

Lol.
 
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