Arizona Election Audit

#1,076
#1,076
BowlBrother85 said:
I have posed this question in numerous threads over the course of the last 6 months without ever getting much of an answer, but what the hell, I will try it one more time:

If you are correct, and "it's not about Trump and never has been", then why have Republicans universally accepted the results from the U.S. House and Senate elections that were held during the 2020 election cycle, but not the results from the 2020 Presidential election?

Votes were cast in these various U.S. House and Senate elections using the same ballot that was used to vote for President. If one vote on a ballot was cast fraudulently, then that whole ballot must be considered fraudulent and discarded. However, there is only one election from the 2020 cycle whose outcome Republicans have alleged was the result of fraudulent activity and attempted to overturn. That doesn't make any sense. If there was indeed systemic fraud during the 2020 election cycle, it would have impacted the outcome of more than just one election.

Nobody who believes that Trump was cheated, ever addresses this. If it wasn't just about Trump, Republicans would be trying to overturn more than just his election. They don't want to do that, however, because Republicans did better than projected in the 2020 U.S. House and Senate elections. If the outcome of every 2020 U.S. House and Senate election was legitimate, then so was the outcome of the 2020 Presidential election, because they used the same damn ballots. You can't have it both ways.
Click to expand...
They didnt universally accept the house and senate results. There were several pending. With a NY rep seat going republican as the last to be wrapped up. I dont think they won all the ones in question, but that one stuck out as the last.
 
  • Like
Reactions: NCFisher
#1,078
#1,078
Orangeslice13 said:
That’s fine. Jump off there as the starting point. It doesn’t matter where we start the payback isn’t going away. Politicians count on people having a short memory so they can continue to divide
people complaining about the audits will now be reminded of Russian investigation. (As I just did again)
.
Click to expand...

Heck, we could go back to when (can’t remember the SOHs name) the Speaker of the House negotiated tax increases with Bush 1. That was supposed to be sold as some great bipartisan achievement then the Dems turned around and beat him over the head with it.

I’m sure we could go back to Washington and find more examples so it’s never going to end, only get worse.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Carl Pickens, AM64 and Orangeslice13
#1,079
#1,079
hog88 said:
Heck, we could go back to when (can’t remember the SOHs name) the Speaker of the House negotiated tax increases with Bush 1. That was supposed to be sold as some great bipartisan achievement then the Dems turned around and beat him over the head with it.

I’m sure we could go back to Washington and find more examples so it’s never going to end, only get worse.
Click to expand...
That’s all I’m trying to say
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
#1,080
#1,080
hog88 said:
Whitewater wasn’t a witch hunt, some high level politicians and bureaucrats were convicted of real crimes from that investigation. When Starr started looking into the Paula Jones case is when it became a witch hunt.
Click to expand...
I feel the opposite. Whitewater was a witch hunt, but how do you not look into the Paula Jones case when provided recorded evidence showing the President committed a crime? The Paula Jones case was separate at first. She sued Bill Clinton for sexual harassment. Bill Clinton was deposed for that case and lied under oath. The Linda Tripp tapes proved he lied under oath. Linda Tripp sought out Ken Starr to give him the tapes. With those tapes in hand, how do you ignore clear evidence the President committed perjury? What got Bill Clinton impeached didn't even begin as a government investigation. It wasn't Republican driven. What's more alarming to me, with clear evidence the President committed a crime, he was still exonerated by the Senate. Bill Clinton even admitted he lied under oath, yet still remained in office. It just proves some people are above the law IMO. For me, it's not about Republican or Democrat, when faced with irrefutable evidence that the President committed a crime, he should have been removed from office and prosecuted like any other person IMO. No one should be above the law.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rickyvol77 and AM64
#1,081
#1,081
Orangeslice13 said:
That’s fine. Jump off there as the starting point. It doesn’t matter where we start the payback isn’t going away. Politicians count on people having a short memory so they can continue to divide
people complaining about the audits will now be reminded of Russian investigation. (As I just did again)
.
Click to expand...
Divide and conquer. It's the easiest way to control the sheep. Pit them against each other and they never realize how badly they're being played. It's why I hate politics. It stopped being about what's best for the country and its citizens a long time ago. Party and power. That's what it's about.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 82_VOL_83, AM64, hog88 and 4 others
#1,084
#1,084
NCFisher said:
Yeah, except no. What you don't do is support bogus impeachment, and bogus claims of inciting a riot or insurrection by the guy who is "Make America Great Again" and expect that shite to fly with 75M voters even as you chide them for believing in an America first message.

This doesn't require Mensa acceptance.
Click to expand...
Make no mistake, it's Trump first
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tastylicks
#1,086
#1,086
BowlBrother85 said:
Donald Trump does bear at least partial responsibility for the January 6th incursion into the U.S. Capitol. The whole purpose of the rally itself was built off the back of Trump's lies. As of January 6th, there was no longer a pathway within the framework of the U.S. Constitution towards overturning the results of the 2020 Presidential Election. Trump not only told his supporters that it was possible for him to still win the election (which was a lie), he also strongly (and incorrectly) suggested that his Vice President, Mike Pence, had the power to unilaterally disregard electoral college votes. Unless he truly is completely ignorant, Trump simply had to know that this was not true. Pence's job in the U.S. Capitol that day was nothing more than that of formality. In basic terms, it was a ceremonial procedure. It was Pence's designated responsibility to call the electoral college votes into roll... nothing more; nothing less... That is what Trump has vilified Pence for - doing exactly what he was supposed to do. You seem to think that Trump is above reproach and above being called out for lying. This gets back to the whole "cult of personality" thing. Whatever Trump wants... is by definition, the right thing for Republicans to do, regardless of what the facts are. Well, not everyone wants to be a member of a cult like yourself. Some people don't like being lied to, and are capable of thinking for themselves.
Click to expand...

You, in particular, simply LOVE being lied to. There is no outlandish, political hoax that you won't swallow, as if an essential nutrient to you. Who even turns on MSNBC anymore, or CNN, etc?

I criticized Trump for throwing Pence under the bus and assuming a VP has the singular authority to put aside electors, so save your civics lesson for another leftist "cult member" like yourself. And seemingly unknown to you, we have rule of law which establishes a higher bar than your TDS standard, in which "peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard" is an incitement to violence. Higher than than calling into question the validity of an election in which Democrats superceded state and federal election law in multiple states, and every battleground state.

But let's play devil's advocate; if Trump was passing out secret decoder rings that when rubbed against a red hat, intoned "insurrection", how did hundreds of thousands of "cult members" not get the message, but only an infinitesimal smattering? And why did they come unarmed? Because, as the *facts* show despite weeks of lying by people like you, there was no spontaneous insurrection or planned insurrection by Trump, or anyone. There was a tiny faction looking for and planning trouble that no one on the right DIDN'T denounce. Contrast that with about ten months of violence (including actual murder) that Biden only obliquely referred to THREE MONTHS after it began, and that Democrats still don't acknowledge is going on. Contrast that with Republicans who uniformly denounced the capitol breach and the Marxist insurrectionists.

Don't preach to anyone about political violence, you intellectual wipe.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 82_VOL_83, AM64 and DC_Vol
#1,088
#1,088
BowlBrother85 said:
You would argue with a brick wall... Let me know when Democrats conduct an audit for an election that was held six months prior. Hell, Biden has only been in office for 15 weeks now. Is it too late to audit JFK v Nixon? Dick got the screws put to him if you ask me...
Click to expand...

Yes, I am arguing with an intellectual brick.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rickyvol77, 82_VOL_83, Carl Pickens and 1 other person
#1,089
#1,089
allvol123 said:
GOP elected officials can make citizens stop investigating?
Click to expand...
They could speak up. They could admit Biden won, and ask the people to accept it. All it would take is words. Since Trump himself refuses to do that, it's up to the party. This isn't solving anything. It's just more chum in the water.
 
#1,090
#1,090
Weezer said:
They could speak up. They could admit Biden won, and ask the people to accept it. All it would take is words. Since Trump himself refuses to do that, it's up to the party. This isn't solving anything. It's just more chum in the water.
Click to expand...

Liz Cheney has done that and now they want to #cancel her

Romney has and they call him a traitor and a communist.
-

Republican Party no more. Its the Trump worship party
 
#1,091
#1,091
Tastylicks said:
Liz Cheney has done that and now they want to #cancel her

Romney has and they call him a traitor and a communist.
-

Republican Party no more. Its the Trump worship party
Click to expand...
Tulsi spoke out against her party, the Democrats, and got cancelled too. Keep in mind, it's not one sided. I know many want to paint it that way, but it's both parties.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64, Sandman 423 and LouderVol
#1,094
#1,094
NCFisher said:
If Trump ran as an establishment Repub - a Kasich, Romney, or McCain clone - he wouldn't get nominated. That's WHY he was nominated and won.
I'm practically spoon-feeding the obvious to you, FFS.
Click to expand...
There is no doubt that Stone/Bannon knew what they were doing. Appealing to base instincts is the oldest trick in the book.
 
  • Like
Reactions: NCFisher
#1,095
#1,095
NCFisher said:
You, in particular, simply LOVE being lied to. There is no outlandish, political hoax that you won't swallow, as if an essential nutrient to you. Who even turns on MSNBC anymore, or CNN, etc?

I criticized Trump for throwing Pence under the bus and assuming a VP has the singular authority to put aside electors, so save your civics lesson for another leftist "cult member" like yourself. And seemingly unknown to you, we have rule of law which establishes a higher bar than your TDS standard, in which "peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard" is an incitement to violence. Higher than than calling into question the validity of an election in which Democrats superceded state and federal election law in multiple states, and every battleground state.

But let's play devil's advocate; if Trump was passing out secret decoder rings that when rubbed against a red hat, intoned "insurrection", how did hundreds of thousands of "cult members" not get the message, but only an infinitesimal smattering? And why did they come unarmed? Because, as the *facts* show despite weeks of lying by people like you, there was no spontaneous insurrection or planned insurrection by Trump, or anyone. There was a tiny faction looking for and planning trouble that no one on the right DIDN'T denounce. Contrast that with about ten months of violence (including actual murder) that Biden only obliquely referred to THREE MONTHS after it began, and that Democrats still don't acknowledge is going on. Contrast that with Republicans who uniformly denounced the capitol breach and the Marxist insurrectionists.

Don't preach to anyone about political violence, you intellectual wipe.
Click to expand...
I didn't say he incited the U.S. Capitol incursion. I said he bears at least partial responsibility for it, because the whole point of the rally in D.C. on January 6th, was based on his lies. He told his supporters that he could still win, and that it was within the power of Mike Pence on January 6th to help him win. That was a lie. A common cry from within the Capitol that day was "where is Mike Pence?" It's audible throughout the riot.

And your "tiny faction" has led to the arrest of well over 400 people. And there was evidence of planning on the part of some of those who have been arrested, you mental midget. LOL.
 
Last edited:
#1,096
#1,096
Weezer said:
I feel the opposite. Whitewater was a witch hunt, but how do you not look into the Paula Jones case when provided recorded evidence showing the President committed a crime? The Paula Jones case was separate at first. She sued Bill Clinton for sexual harassment. Bill Clinton was deposed for that case and lied under oath. The Linda Tripp tapes proved he lied under oath. Linda Tripp sought out Ken Starr to give him the tapes. With those tapes in hand, how do you ignore clear evidence the President committed perjury? What got Bill Clinton impeached didn't even begin as a government investigation. It wasn't Republican driven. What's more alarming to me, with clear evidence the President committed a crime, he was still exonerated by the Senate. Bill Clinton even admitted he lied under oath, yet still remained in office. It just proves some people are above the law IMO. For me, it's not about Republican or Democrat, when faced with irrefutable evidence that the President committed a crime, he should have been removed from office and prosecuted like any other person IMO. No one should be above the law.
Click to expand...

Starr didn't start looking into the Paula Jones matter until he had all but wrapped up the Whitewater investigation, he was closing his office down when it was brought to him. He should have declined and let Reno and the DOJ deal with that.

There were serious crimes discovered and prosecuted in the actual Whitewater investigation, that was warranted.
 
#1,097
#1,097
USAFgolferVol said:
Make no mistake, it's Trump first
Click to expand...

If Trump ran as an establishment Repub - a Kasich, Romney, or McCain clone - he wouldn't get nominated. That's WHY he was nominated and won.
I'm practically spoon-feeding the obvious to you, FFS.
Weezer said:
They could speak up. They could admit Biden won, and ask the people to accept it. All it would take is words. Since Trump himself refuses to do that, it's up to the party. This isn't solving anything. It's just more chum in the water.
Click to expand...

I disagree. This will be the only forensic audit performed that attempts to match ballot with machine count, in a historically Republican county, the largest in the state. If the auditors make no claim of fraud, AZ is officially and unofficially sanctioned as a valid election. I'd think that transparency pretty damned healthy. And it exponentially impugns suspicion of fraud nationally.

If auditors claim fraud, it will be publicly subjected to scrutiny by both the biased and non-partisan. If fraud is verified, that too is pretty damned healthy and an indicator we've lost control of elections and are performing as a banana republic. That realization would be not only damned healthy, but vital to holding this country together. If fraud allegation is disproven...well, you get the point.

There's no downside here to an actual forensic audit. After 4+ years of "Trump is illegitimate", those attempting to deny transparency can STFU and listen for a change.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 82_VOL_83 and AM64
#1,099
#1,099
NCFisher said:
If Trump ran as an establishment Repub - a Kasich, Romney, or McCain clone - he wouldn't get nominated. That's WHY he was nominated and won.
I'm practically spoon-feeding the obvious to you, FFS.


I disagree. This will be the only forensic audit performed that attempts to match ballot with machine count, in a historically Republican county, the largest in the state. If the auditors make no claim of fraud, AZ is officially and unofficially sanctioned as a valid election. I'd think that transparency pretty damned healthy. And it exponentially impugns suspicion of fraud nationally.

If auditors claim fraud, it will be publicly subjected to scrutiny by both the biased and non-partisan. If fraud is verified, that too is pretty damned healthy and an indicator we've lost control of elections and are performing as a banana republic. That realization would be not only damned healthy, but vital to holding this country together. If fraud allegation is disproven...well, you get the point.

There's no downside here to an actual forensic audit. After 4+ years of "Trump is illegitimate", those attempting to deny transparency can STFU and listen for a change.
Click to expand...
"Unofficially sanctioned"? LOL! That is a contradiction in terms. When something is sanctioned, it is by definition either official approval or official permission. You can't "unofficially sanction" an act or event, Short Bus.

The results in Arizona were certified by Arizona's Secretary of State on November 30th, with their 11 electoral votes being awarded to Joe Biden. The Cyber Ninjas can unleash their entire arsenal of throwing stars in Arizona if they want. Whatever they conclude, will not change a damn thing, even in the court of public opinion, because it's too easy to portray Doug Logan's company as being biased. The people who believe that Trump was cheated, will still believe that he was cheated... and the people who believe that Biden won a fair election, will not change their minds, based on conclusions drawn by the Cyber Ninjas.
 
#1,100
#1,100
BowlBrother85 said:
I didn't say he incited the U.S. Capitol incursion. I said he bears at least partial responsibility for it, because the whole point of the rally in D.C. on January 6th, was based on his lies. He told his supporters that he could still win, and that it was in within the power of Mike Pence on January 6th to help him win. That was a lie. A common cry from within the Capitol that day was "where is Mike Pence?" It's audible throughout the riot.

And your "tiny faction" has led to the arrest of well over 400 people. And there was evidence of planning on the part of some of those who have been arrested, you mental midget. LOL.
Click to expand...

If he didn't incite it, he doesn't bear responsibility; that's how the law regarding protected speech works, not that you'd know. Your willingness to see inference is not a legal - or ethical - basis for assigning culpability.

400 out of 10s of thousands, and of the tiny faction of 400 just a tiny faction are charged with conspiracy; the bulk were caught up in the excitement, and many of those simply wandered into the capitol left wide open by capitol police. Here's an exercise for you: how many capitol rioters are charged with conspiracy?

Some "INSURRECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!"....

Lastly, I already stated there was planning by a tiny faction, "you mental midget". Must I write AND read it for you?
 
  • Like
Reactions: AM64
New Posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

Advertisement



Back
Top