5 UT Transfers are projected Starters

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Man I never ever ever thought I'd see the day I would look back and semi miss Butch Jones.Dude was WAYYYY in over his head but considering the dooley/Pruitt era we def proved it can get much much worse esp with Pruitt.I just hope we give Heupel ample time,Which in Jones case we did but the results just didn't manifest themselves like we had hoped.
 
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butchna said:
Nowhere near 0 talent. Adjustable scheme boosts safety effectiveness and I count 4 corners with 4 scholarships available via transfer portal. Outside linebackers in the 3-4 are DE’s in the 4-2-5...it’s a thing.
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I'm aware of the role of outside linebacker and DE's. OLB in a 3-4 play contain and rush the same as 4-3, but they also have to be versed in playing some light zone/man and out of an entirely different stance. It's an extremely similar position, but the differences exist. Also 2 of our more highly rated edge guys, Joseph and Harrison, have moved to the inside, off ball. French and Willis are suspended. Banks is injured, and always looked to be a better RB minus the fumble issues. I'm still counting 3 corners, Burrell, Taylor, George. Agreed we need some portal bodies.

LittleVol said:
Marginal talent that kept Key Lawrence off the field...
Flowers had a UGA offer. McCullough had a Bama offer. Burrell Florida offer, Taylor UGA offer. Slaughter Florida offer.

You are missing the entire point of my post. All you heard/hear is how
"Gray was overrated"
"Chandler was a bust"
"Morris is soft"
Etc...
Yet all these guys are now STARTERS on BETTER teams.

In other words, we indeed did had/have talent..
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We did have some talent, but no depth. Any depth is now gone. I never hated on those guys, especially Key. If Slaughter beat him out, you find another position for him. Flowers has yet to stay on the field, McCullough is solid as is Taylor. Slaughter and Burrell have talent but need to show it consistently. My concern is what we have behind them. We had more talent than 3-7, 100% agree. Pruitt was a disaster in all aspects.

I'm also not doom and gloom. I just think we need to pump the brakes on our talent talks, especially on defense.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
I'm aware of the role of outside linebacker and DE's. OLB in a 3-4 play contain and rush the same as 4-3, but they also have to be versed in playing some light zone/man and out of an entirely different stance. It's an extremely similar position, but the differences exist. Also 2 of our more highly rated edge guys, Joseph and Harrison, have moved to the inside, off ball. French and Willis are suspended. Banks is injured, and always looked to be a better RB minus the fumble issues. I'm still counting 3 corners, Burrell, Taylor, George. Agreed we need some portal bodies.



We did have some talent, but no depth. Any depth is now gone. I never hated on those guys, especially Key. If Slaughter beat him out, you find another position for him. Flowers has yet to stay on the field, McCullough is solid as is Taylor. Slaughter and Burrell have talent but need to show it consistently. My concern is what we have behind them. We had more talent that 3-7, 100% agree.

I'm also not doom and gloom. I just think we need to pump the brakes on our talent talks, especially on defense.
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Edge guys deployed in different schemes. I’ll stand by my point. Some aren’t interchangeable, I think ours are. Young is making a case.

I project Charles at corner. I’m aware they’re auditioning him at safety but I’m banking that changes in the Summer. Also don’t know where Rucker ends up. Would’ve definitely been safety with the old regime, but Banks knows and uses zone coverage.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Which team not named UGA, UF, or Bama is more talented? Even if you say a team like UK or Ole Miss, at best, they are marginally more talented. Their advantage is their coaches get to coach this offseason while ours have to undo prior pi$$ poor coaching....
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T A&M and LSU.
 
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I think some fans are so snake bitten by the poor performance of the Pruitt teams, they just can't see how we could be better. Almost all our problems resulted from hamstrung coaching, not talent.

A new AD, a new coaching staff, a new and proven scheme, a better locker room, and a good amount of talent will produce a much better team than we've seen in years.
 
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butchna said:
Edge guys deployed in different schemes. I’ll stand by my point. Some aren’t interchangeable, I think ours are. Young is making a case.

I project Charles at corner. I’m aware they’re auditioning him at safety but I’m banking that changes in the Summer. Also don’t know where Rucker ends up. Would’ve definitely been safety with the old regime, but Banks knows and uses zone coverage.
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Hopefully they are both very good, we will need them pretty quickly. Young and Baron will both be solid or even very good. Literally no one behind them though. Unfortunately we've spent the last couple year bulking up our DL to play the 3-4 that they've outgrown the 4-3 DE spots (Bumphus, Butler, Blakely, Garland come to mind). I will say we should have 1 and 3 techs for days. Deepest position on the D by far.
 
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LittleVol said:
5 guys off a 3-7 UT ball club are projected starters at OU, UNC, and Miami.

Wazzu- yeah that guy is starting there now.

So, how is this possible, when we supposedly just weren't very talented???
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Let's see if he's starting after 2 or 3 games into the season.
 
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butchna said:
Harrison and Joseph have. Not as heavily as who they’re replacing. But the speed of the game won’t be an issue.
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Morven Joseph has played in 3 games and has 2 total tackles. That is not experience. Harrison has some experience as a pass rusher, if that is how he is going to be used.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Hopefully they are both very good, we will need them pretty quickly. Young and Baron will both be solid or even very good. Literally no one behind them though. Unfortunately we've spent the last couple year bulking up our DL to play the 3-4 that they've outgrown the 4-3 DE spots (Bumphus, Butler, Blakely, Garland come to mind). I will say we should have 1 and 3 techs for days. Deepest position on the D by far.
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Read some guru suggest it’ll be a 3-3-5 mix at times where they still use the 3 DL but in more of an attacking mode. To maximize what’s available. Baron always fit more as a 4 man DE imo.
 
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miket4god said:
Morven Joseph has played in 3 games and has 2 total tackles. That is not experience. Harrison has some experience as a pass rusher, if that is how he is going to be used.
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Played extensively end of season. We were talking SNAPS?
 
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dobre_shunka said:
Let's see if he's starting after 2 or 3 games into the season.
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That's why I said "5" starting. He would be 6, but I didn't count him really.
Worst player to ever play on the hill. He annoys me to no end. Ever since that Ga Tech game. Afterwards he proceeded to lead the worst stretch of offense in UT history. He averaged (.833) TDs a game hahaha.
 
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butchna said:
The defense will be better schooled, less robotic and much more energetic imo. Might find out the present defense responds to that climate change imo.
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Even though depth is going to be an issue....this defense is going to be able to play faster. It will not be so damn technical to the point they have no clue where to line up at. This offense though.....Oregon Chip Kelly/Mariota fast once they get this system fully installed.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
We have literally 0 talent at LB'er. Marginal talent at safety, 3 true corners on the entire roster, and a bunch of converted linebackers at DE.
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We have good talent at LB that just need experience and coaching. Especially if we can get a couple of them back from "THC Quarantine!" As pointed out above, we had substandard LB coach last season because we needed a landing spot for our top recruiter (who BTW is patient zero for recruiting violations)!

Safety? That's one of our deepest and most talented positions on the roster.

CB, I agree we need a lot more depth and talent there.
 
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Man, how quickly we went from being excited that Pruitt would coach them boys up after the Butch era to excited about the next coach because the last coach wasn't developing talent. Hopefully Heupel can be the guy that actually develops talent unlike his last three predecessors.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
@LittleVol

It will likely take more than one offseason to reverse some of the "coaching" this team has received the past three years and to reverse the culture from the lying, cheating Gump that ran the program...

Talent wise, only Bama, UF, and UGA are more talented on our schedule.
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I don't think they were poorly coached in terms of technique or drills. I think it all broke down on the style of play and Pruitt depressing the whole team.

You can almost see this new staff pumping confidence into these kids. Hopefully not confidence in things they cannot do... but rather the things they always could do but were convinced by negative coaching that they couldn't. Heupel seems to get the simple power of "believing" that you can do it.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
This undercuts the argument some have made that we didn't lose any good players off that 3-7 team to the Portal, we did, and this does not include Henry T or Crouch, either of whom, certainly Henry T, can walk in and start in many places.
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I don't think anyone has argued that the guys lost to OU weren't good players. Johnson too.

I love Chandler and appreciate what he did at UT. But he probably wouldn't be a top 2 back in UT's room now.

JG has always been a great practice player. Maybe it all clicks for him with a change of scenery. I kind of hoped he would have tried that a few years ago. But the smart money says he'll look great in practice then stink it up in games again.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
@LittleVol

It will likely take more than one offseason to reverse some of the "coaching" this team has received the past three years and to reverse the culture from the lying, cheating Gump that ran the program...

Talent wise, only Bama, UF, and UGA are more talented on our schedule.
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That’s just wrong. Hope you are right and I am wrong . Let’s see what happens this season. Gosh I hope you are correct and that we have good coaches. I would bet against your statement.
 
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LittleVol said:
5 guys off a 3-7 UT ball club are projected starters at OU, UNC, and Miami.

OU (Big 12 Champs 2020)
- Gray is already the 3rd down back and looks to be the outright favorite as RB 1
- Lawrence is the projected starter at NB. And already has rep for being one of the stronger guys pound for pound on the team.
- Morris is still recovering from an injury from his time here, but he is the projected starter at LT

UNC- ACC Coastal runner-up
Ty Chandler- projected starter at RB and KR

Miami- 8-4 in 2020
- D Johnson projected starter at EDGE. Battled through a Quaritine protocol to emerge as one starting option at DE.

Wazzu- yeah that guy is starting there now.

So, how is this possible, when we supposedly just weren't very talented???

My point of this thread is to spotlight how you cannot give one ounce of legitimacy towards the Pruitt era, and the record of 2020. He was by a large margin the worst coach in UT history.

Heupel has the following:
Hyatt **** 4.3 -40
Wideman ****
Calloway **** 4.4
Keyton ****
Merrill **** 4.4
Holliday- 4.3
Jones- 4.3 proven playmaker
Coby and Tillman have ability too.

RB
Better overall than last year believe it or not.

Look man, Mizzou, UK, USCE, Pitt, Tech,
S-Bama, Vandy, are not more talented than us.

Look at the beginning of this post to remind you how we really don't know what's on our roster.

We HAD 3 guys that just transferred to a Playoff team and are projected starterS
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Easy answer, culture. Guys don’t(didn’t) feel the need to compete or give the effort at Tennessee. No one was willing to hold anyone else accountable because they were only looking out for themselves. It didn’t mean as much to wear the power T. The previous coaching staff was not cohesive and everyone had their own ideas and ways of doing things. I will not be surprised to see these transfers, when held to a different standard, ball out. That’s my opinion.
GBO!!
 
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