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508mikey said:
More CNN fear US Coronavirus: Michigan's Covid-19 crisis could be a sign of what's to come for the US, expert says
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Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said the state was seeing rising Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations and ICU admissions and urged residents to get vaccinated to avoid another surge.
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I can speak to this because it is my state. Let's put some numbers to the Governor's comments. Yes, hospital beds occupied by C19 patients has increased from 3.0% to 4.5% of total capacity. Other patents account for 63% of capacity thus there's still 32% of beds still available, far from making this an overcrowding problem



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Sea Ray said:
I can speak to this because it is my state. Let's put some numbers to the Governor's comments. Yes, hospital beds occupied by C19 patients has increased from 3.0% to 4.5% of total capacity. Other patents account for 63% of capacity thus there's still 32% of beds still available, far from making this an overcrowding problem



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You have to consider what type of bed is available, the capability of the beds on the floor, and the staff capability/training that will be manning those beds. How many are icu, how many are negative pressure, how many can take ventilated patients... those are things to consider.

Edit: I see now that is information provided in your link (except for staffing considerations). Apologies.
 
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Sea Ray said:
6 cases out of over 6 million doses isn't going to show up on research of 40 thousand. This is literally one in a million
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Interesting that it was hitting only women of child bearing age. Did the miscarriage stats from the UK ever get validated? I know there was some debate on it.
 
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OHvol40 said:
You have to consider what type of bed is available, the capability of the beds on the floor, and the staff capability/training that will be manning those beds. How many are icu, how many are negative pressure, how many can take ventilated patients... those are things to consider.

Edit: I see now that is information provided in your link (except for staffing considerations). Apologies.
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The information is absolutely included. C19 patients account for 6.66% of ICU beds and 3.91% of ventilators.

Knowing that, what's your point?
 
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Sea Ray said:
The information is absolutely included. C19 patients account for 6.66% of ICU beds and 3.91% of ventilators.

Knowing that, what's your point?
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Well, hopefully we all recognize there is a severe healthcare worker shortage (especially nurses) that this country is struggling with. Also, those are your state-wide numbers, but breaking it down town by town, hospital by hospital might look different.

That said, Iโ€™m not worried about Ohioโ€™s capacity besides staffing shortages, but again thatโ€™s not exclusive to Ohio.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Well, hopefully we all recognize there is a severe healthcare worker shortage (especially nurses) that this country is struggling with. Also, those are your state-wide numbers, but breaking it down town by town, hospital by hospital might look different.

That said, Iโ€™m not worried about Ohioโ€™s capacity besides staffing shortages, but again thatโ€™s not exclusive to Ohio.
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Google hospital bed shortages due to the flu (in past years) will get hits. We all get the principle of "your mileage may vary" but I do think it's helpful to put some numbers to this. That's why the state publishes it
 
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Sea Ray said:
6 cases out of over 6 million doses isn't going to show up on research of 40 thousand. This is literally one in a million
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7 out of the 40,000 in the test group died. All were in the placebo group. So more people died after not receiving the vaccine, and yet they're going to stall distribution. If there isn't more to this story, then this is lunacy.
 
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bamawriter said:
7 out of the 40,000 in the test group died. All were in the placebo group. So more people died after not receiving the vaccine, and yet they're going to stall distribution. If there isn't more to this story, then this is lunacy.
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That's a good point. I didn't know that
 
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There's a 0% chance they paused that vaccine with only 6 out of 6 million having issues. More to the story. Probably will never receive a straight answer without "misinformation" and "fact checking" slapped all over it.
 
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Sea Ray said:
It appears that not only did it originate in the country of China, it was created in their lab. If that doesn't make it a China virus I don't know what does
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We funded the lab and as I understand it there was push back on the funding due to the "gain of function" research they did there. Gain of function is research to make viruses "better" at doing what they do. Some rumors that we circumvented some rules to continue funding after the pushback but I haven't seen any solid reporting on that.
 
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Does it matter more where it was created or where it escaped from (if that's what happened?)
 
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volinbham said:
of course it does - won't change this one but more are coming.
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If it was made here in a lab but escaped from a Chinese lab, who is to blame?
(I say whoever let it escape then lied, but I'm just asking.)
 
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Electric Orange said:
If it was made here in a lab but escaped from a Chinese lab, who is to blame?
(I say whoever let it escape then lied, but I'm just asking.)
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made here in a lab? I haven't seen that claim before.

In the big picture it's knowing where the risk is coming from. If it came from gain of function research then we really need to question that type of research funding. If it came from natural sources (eg. bats via some other critter) then action on wet markets and related activities deserve more scrutiny. We can't effectively take preventive action without knowing the origins.
 
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volinbham said:
CNN with the ScIeNcE

CNN Says 10 Percent of Vaccinated Air Travelers May Catch COVID. That's Completely Wrong.
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"Applying the 1 percent rate at which unvaccinated folks became ill during the vaccine trials over three months suggests that 1,000 people in an unvaccinated population of 100,000 would fall ill," notes Bailey. "But because all 100,000 people are vaccinated, the actual rate in the vaccinated population would be just 50 cases (0.05 x 1,000 = 50 cases)."
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Is it just me or is there a problem with this math? How is 1,000 out of 100,000 equal to 1%?
 
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volinbham said:
made here in a lab? I haven't seen that claim before.

In the big picture it's knowing where the risk is coming from. If it came from gain of function research then we really need to question that type of research funding. If it came from natural sources (eg. bats via some other critter) then action on wet markets and related activities deserve more scrutiny. We can't effectively take preventive action without knowing the origins.
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Idk if i can find the source (my apologies) but I saw some that claimed it was made here on the east coast in a university lab. Duke or NC area? I'll try and find some sources, give me a minute.
 
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Sea Ray said:
For China it does. It would not reflect well on them and perhaps could lead to consequences in the World Court at the UN
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I agree.
As soon as it happened the rest of the world should have done something.

They won't now though.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Well, hopefully we all recognize there is a severe healthcare worker shortage (especially nurses) that this country is struggling with. Also, those are your state-wide numbers, but breaking it down town by town, hospital by hospital might look different.

That said, Iโ€™m not worried about Ohioโ€™s capacity besides staffing shortages, but again thatโ€™s not exclusive to Ohio.
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The shortage of nurses is solely on the shoulders of nursing programs at universities that accept minimal applicants. Theres plenty demand to be one.
 
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