Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

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VolunteerHillbilly said:
yeah. we paid UCF how many millions and somehow they wound up with the better head coach? not impressed. he was cocksure when he walked in the door but looked like a scalded dog after JF and TE turned down the job. Face it, his plan failed and now we are living out the emergency backup option.
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The coach is not the important part of the equation..... it’s changing the culture and what people think about the university..... As for the coach, I have no doubt that JH will make us fun and exciting even if it doesn’t eventually lead to championships I would much rather have him than malzahn.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
yeah. we paid UCF how many millions and somehow they wound up with the better head coach? not impressed. he was cocksure when he walked in the door but looked like a scalded dog after JF and TE turned down the job. Face it, his plan failed and now we are living out the emergency backup option.
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Always other teams to root for why are you on the board still if this is how you feel?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
yeah. we paid UCF how many millions and somehow they wound up with the better head coach? not impressed. he was cocksure when he walked in the door but looked like a scalded dog after JF and TE turned down the job. Face it, his plan failed and now we are living out the emergency backup option.
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Let see how his first season here goes... lol
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
yeah. we paid UCF how many millions and somehow they wound up with the better head coach? not impressed. he was cocksure when he walked in the door but looked like a scalded dog after JF and TE turned down the job. Face it, his plan failed and now we are living out the emergency backup option.
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How do you know they got the better head coach? JH is 28-8 as a head coach and now he is at a big school where he can actually win a championship. Gus just got fired. But keep on bringing negativity with every post. JH could be a disaster or he could be a great hire. Only time will tell.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Addition by Subtraction -

I’ve previously posted that the apparent problem with our defense last year according to the data was our pass defense. I’ve spent some time digging deeper into the data to see if I could figure out more specifically what the problem was. jmo.

According to Football Outsiders we had the 2nd best defensive line in the conference last year and owing to personnel losses at Georgia, who was the only team better than us, we could have the best DL in the conference this year. jmo.

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Using a combination of data sources and analysis this is what I’ve come up with. We were very efficient against the run, moreso on passing downs, but still one of the best on standard downs. jmo.

It looks to me like we were hugely better against the pass on passing downs than we were on standard downs. Our inability to consistently defend the pass on standard downs appears to be what torpedoed our pass defense overall. Sorry - I don't yet have a chart for this. jmo.

Why is this important? My theory is that it may not have been our secondary personnel that was causing us problems in the back end last year. My theory is that it was likely the play-caller that was putting us in a vulnerable position vs the pass on standard downs. I suspect opposing offenses figured out early on that Pruitt was often loading the box on standard downs to try to help out our overrated linebackers against the run and this came at the expense of our secondary guys. jmo.

Addition by subtraction: Subtract 1 Jeremy Pruitt, Add 3.5 additional wins. jmo.

But it’s not all on Pruitt. Our scoring defense ranked 7th in the conference last year but if you take out Guarantano scoring for the other team our true scoring defense moves up to 4th best in the conference, behind UGA, A&M, and UA. jmo.

Addition by Subtraction: Subtract 1 Jarrett Guarantano, Add 2.5 additional wins. jmo.

It's really just simple math. I figure if Tim Banks knows what Asparagus is we could potentially have a top 25 defense this year. jmo.
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Wish I could "like" this 100 times.

Cornbread, #2, and the overhyped Henry T/Crouch combined brought the house down last season. All of the blame primarily rests at Cornbread's feet.

Who used an inexperienced assistant coach for ILB's prior to firing his D-line coach after the 4th game? Basically, who ran off the better coaches and retained the others? Because he had to take over the D-line, he did not have time to really assist at LB, if he even could have made a difference at that point. Who made or influenced highly telegraphed D play calls? Who persisted, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary over 3 seasons, in starting and using #2 long past his expiration date?

Remove that mess alone and they are 5-5 and most likely better even with the ramp up needed at QB. As it was they needed a dumb mistake to win the opener against a bad USCe team. They needed a dumb coaching mistake to start the season with the wrong QB initially at Mizzou. By halftime of UGA it all fell apart and the losing momentum took over the player attitudes along with the incompetent coaching.

I think they get back to tier two performance (8-4/9-3) reasonably soon. It will take awhile to see if they can get to the top level consistently.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
yeah. we paid UCF how many millions and somehow they wound up with the better head coach? not impressed. he was cocksure when he walked in the door but looked like a scalded dog after JF and TE turned down the job. Face it, his plan failed and now we are living out the emergency backup option.
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If he was the better HC, why didn't other P-5 programs want him and he ended up going where our new HC came from? Why was Auburn willing to pay him a $20+ M buyout plus his staff to get rid of him? I guess everybody else is stupid and Gus the Bus is the smart one.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
My initial assessment after this hire was similar to yours I think. I thought it was possible recruiting might drop to a 50-year low. As the staff filled out I was encourage with the hires of Garner, Burns, Jean-Mary, Mack, and Banks because we were landing guys with recruiting ability. One of the complaints UCF fans had about JH was in their view recruiting under JH was trending down. After first listening to him I could see why that might be. He comes across to me more as a geometry teacher than a head football coach. Still, I thought with the staff hires he was building staff strength in an area that he himself might be weak in. That provided some hope.

The average tenure of a head coach for an FBS football team is 3.8 years. 12 of the 14 SEC schools have replaced their coaching staffs at least once since 2015, some more than once. I gave and still give JH about a 15% chance of being successful here. That’s my expectations.

When I was a very young kid every week when the polls came out in the newspaper I’d sit down and go through them and any football magazines I had for reference, first to see where we were ranked and then to figure out if any of the teams ranked ahead of us were playing anyone that week where they could hopefully lose so we could move up. In 10 days I’ll be 65 years old. I’ve been at this for over 50 years and there’s only ever been one team that I cared about in college football.

I’ve been with my Dad on the way to a Spring game where we totaled our car and after getting done with the police report made our way back home and got mom’s car and still made it to the game. I was there when the artful dodger was carried off the field to the hospital. I can still feel the electricity in Neyland when after halftime he came running out of the tunnel onto the field to resume the fight. He had 2 broken legs, 4 cracked ribs, was in a full body cast, and was bleeding profusely from the shoulder of his throwing arm. He wasn’t going to quit and neither was I, never.

I was in Neyland in 1984 with 3 friends from Alabama for the TSIO. As the game was winding down Alabama was in firm control. It looked hopeless. I remember thinking at the time we’d literally need a miracle to comeback. I’m talking the real thing here not some good luck. I swear – Tony Robinson and Johnny Jones did just that. It was the best ride home from Knoxville I ever had in my life, to this very day. I still can’t believe they pulled it off but they did.



I was there with my son for Peyton's first spring game. We were discussing the QBs as we left the stadium and he thought Jerry Colquitt was the better QB. I seriously considered making him walk home. He was young. We all made mistakes when we were young.

My dad passed away in 1982 but my mom was around for 12 more years. I remember the time she gathered me and my brothers together to tell us that she wanted to see one last game at Neyland. It was getting increasingly difficult for her to get around so she would need our help. We had 2 cars of people make the trip. We went to the student center, the book store, her favorite place on campus to eat. It is one of the best memories of Tennessee football I could ever have. I can’t even begin to remember who we played that day. I just knew in our family we’d won in a blowout.

Right now my most realistic honest to God expectations for our 2021 football season is
15-0
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😭😭😭🧡
 
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Sorry if it’s already been discussed, but I’ve noticed on several different occasions the coaches (including Heupel) wearing headsets during practice. Have we ever seen that from previous coaching staffs?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
yeah. we paid UCF how many millions and somehow they wound up with the better head coach? not impressed. he was cocksure when he walked in the door but looked like a scalded dog after JF and TE turned down the job. Face it, his plan failed and now we are living out the emergency backup option.
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Didnt JF trend down as well?

What track record does TE (or any Clemson OC) have to say he’d be successful?
 
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CAVPUT said:
You lost me at 'special teams+return game'. Save everyone time and stop the wind sprints for the backups. Just give everyone the ball at the 25 on kickoffs and make it a 35 yard flip of field position on punts. Just need a guy to kick extra points and FG. The rest of the "special teams" is a waste of time with the way they're set up now. The days of seeing special teams being of importance are long, long gone.
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My first thought was how sad. One of my favorite memories is Dale Carter running the kickoff back for a TD to start the second half against Florida.
 
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pierce60 said:
Sorry if it’s already been discussed, but I’ve noticed on several different occasions the coaches (including Heupel) wearing headsets during practice. Have we ever seen that from previous coaching staffs?
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Never noticed it. I guess the staff is communicating with each other. New age. No yelling over megaphone I guess.
 
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