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Devo182 said:
B-b-but he underachieved with a young-talent team...

As Duke is sitting at home
As UK is sitting at home
As UNC is sitting at home

Every team that recruited above us last year is right there with us...with LEGENDARY coaches. But Rick..."**** that guy".......😭😭😭 ok Know-Nothing Party
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This Barnes bashing is really sickening to me...it makes no f'n sense to people like me who have watched the UT BB program be the dregs of the SEC for sooooo many years...outside of a few decent little runs here and there we have sucked nearly my whole life..not like these morons define sucking, like Wade Houston level of pure suckitude..
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
This Barnes bashing is really sickening to me...it makes no f'n sense to people like me who have watched the UT BB program be the dregs of the SEC for sooooo many years...outside of a few decent little runs here and there we have sucked nearly my whole life..not like these morons define sucking, like Wade Houston level of pure suckitude..
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Recency bias is real. Just let the grieving process play out and everyone be all in when Kennedy Chandler gets to campus.
 
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Dooby15 said:
It’s okay to be critical of the 5th highest paid coach in basketball who is one and done in the tournament and underachieved this season. I still like Barnes and think he can figure it out. But he needs to figure it out.
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He's not going to whether you like it or not. Barnes has no idea what a modern offense even looks like and we will bring in high rated prospects which is fun, but I just don't think a barnes coached team is ever built to do anything significant. #justmythoughts
 
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Weezer said:
Critical? Sure. Scream for his head and pretend we'd hire someone better? Not so much. The two highest paid coaches didn't even make the tournament.
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Not screaming for his head but these 2 coaches have 18 final fours and 6 championships and no ut would not hire a better coach
 
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The same people who argue we are still the equivalent of Florida, Georgia, and Bama in football will mock younger fans for their desire to be better in basketball. While in the lifetime of current recruits and younger fans, TN basketball is a much better program than TN football.

In football, since 2010, we are 66-69. 3-30 against Florida, Georgia, and Bama, who some claim are our rivals.

In basketball, the last 3 coaches (excluding Tyndall's 1-year stint) have all made at least one Sweet 16. Pearl made 2 Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight. Cuonzo and Rick both have a Sweet 16 appearance.

Our football coaches over that same time-span? Late career Fulmer, Kiffin, Dooley, Butch, Pruitt, and Heupel, who have a combined 4 seasons (2 by Fulmer and 2 by Butch) with 8 or more regular-season wins over that 15-year time-span.

Is our basketball job elite? No. But like Rob Lewis said in a recent podcast, this job will be highly sought after when it comes open. Our football job was not. The university has shown it will support basketball and the last 3 coaches (excluding Tyndall) have shown you can win here. Basketball recruits have also seen the basketball program win, be competitive in the tournament, develop kids, and be #1 in the country. Football recruits have seen us be the laughing stock of college football while wasting away top recruiting classes.

I like Rick, but he isn't winning you a championship. He isn't worth top 5 money. He isn't the only one that can win at this job. Yet some believe we should worship him for underachieving while some also hold this crazy opinion that we are still an elite football program. We are not elite at anything right now. But we are much closer to being elite in basketball than football.

I have few expectations for the football program and have had that view for years. We are a fading football program dying a slow death. But basketball is a rising program that I and many younger fans have higher expectations for.
 
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Weezer said:
Why? We already have the NCAA sniffing around football. You hoping for the death penalty in basketball? We all know Bruce is crooked as hell. Why would we risk it?
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That’s the difference between us and Auburn...... Here..... Bruce gets caught having a Barbacue....3 year show cause and we lose our coach....!At Auburn..... they are paying to funnel players there....he is still coaching with no penalties for Auburn.
 
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Again - as a HC you hire staff to handle various aspects of the program and cover for your own weaknesses. No HC alive knows everything and is 100% competent at all aspects of the game/program. See Coach K, Cal and Roy W this season for recency examples. Barnes has to know after all these years he needs quality help in spots. One thing would be to always recruit a PG and bigs. He's got the 2's and 3's down pat. He needs to work on the former. Other than Bone and Alexander, who were both projects with potential, he's had tweeners to work with and play positions that were not as natural for them. It takes time for a non-elite like UT to build a program and roster that can consistently compete at a high level.

Time to make changes and CEO his job better IMO. Or, he can do the Fulmer loyal to assistants at the expense of the program thingy and see how it all turns out.
 
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The mood here seems so down on UT sports but honestly most of our programs (outside of our miserable football program) are doing pretty well and seem to be on solid footing. We are nowhere near the valley we were in 6-7 years ago, when women’s softball was about the only thing we had going for us.

Hopefully we can make football at least fun and competitive again, and build on the successes elsewhere. Maybe we can scrap out a championship in one of those sports sometime soon.

Lots to cheer for as a Vol fan!
 
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JacketVol said:
I really have little interest in the program anymore. I think I’ve come to accept we are pathetic.
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Football is the only program that’s been permanently knocked down a tick or two for me. I think we can win a lot of football games and have fun with it, but I will have to see us win an SEC championship and/or national championship in football before I will believe it can happen. I’ve come to believe the SEC is too competitive and 5 or 6 other SEC schools have natural recruiting and/or resource advantages relative to us - they all need to be stumbling for us to have a chance.

I think we can still compete for and win titles in other sports and I think we have a lot to cheer for in all sports. Go Vols!
 
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Based on yesterday, it shows it was impossible to determine who was good or bad all year, and to seed the tournament correctly. Makes for a fun tourney to watch, but who really knows how good everyone is based on really just having conference games to go on.
 
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