Rick Barnes discussion [merged]

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This list is why some of us look at Barnes the way we do and are unhappy with him.
Men's College Basketball Coach Salaries - USA TODAY
He is the 5th highest paid coach in CBB. He is paid more than Bill Self, Tony Bennett, Roy Williams, Tom Izzo.
For all the money he is getting, all he has to show is a couple sweet sixteens and a shared reg season title. With the money he is getting paid his results should be better. Hes making more than multiple guys with NC's under their resume and has only won his conference once, and has never had a team play in the big game. For what hes now getting paid, we are not getting our moneys worth.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Yes really. Durant was a generational player. Boeheim took Syracuse to the national championship with Anthony who wasn't as good as Durant. That Texas team lost in the 2nd round with a damn stacked team with 4 Parade All-Americans, another guy who averaged 16 a game. That Syracuse team started 3 freshmen and a sophomore and went 30-5. A second round loss with Durant is a choke job for the ages. The only remotely comparable one and done players to him are Anthony and Anthony Davis and Durant was better than both. Both won national titles.

That said, I didn't say Barnes sucked, I said it was the worst coaching job in his career. Hell, we rip Calipari for only making the final four with that kind of talent.
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Lol. Not sure I can have any more discussion if you want to compare UK’s recruiting classes to those Texas teams. In Davis’ one year, Cal signed 3 of the top 5-10 players. He had like 5 top 25 players on the roster including two sophomores and a senior. His only title. 6 players on that team averaged double figures while Durant was scoring 25 to keep his team winning.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Comparing salaries to results and expectations is a legitimate argument. You dont get paid with the best to be ok.
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No it’s not. It’s about timing, economics, and each school has a different set of circumstances. Buzz Williams and Fred Hoiberg are also in the top 10 in salary.

Go ahead and hire someone else at 2 million at UT and see how it works. Maybe Danny White can find that Bruce Pearl that took us 6 tries to find.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Comparing salaries to results and expectations is a legitimate argument. You dont get paid with the best to be ok.
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Well you either let Barnes walk with the risk of losing Chandler, Mashack, and most likely BHH or you bump up his salary to keep him from taking an offer from UCLA.

Losing key recruits with no back up plan would have been worse so...
 
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VolGee4 said:
No it’s not. It’s about timing, economics, and each school has a different set of circumstances. Buzz Williams and Fred Hoiberg are also in the top 10 in salary.

Go ahead and hire someone else at 2 million at UT and see how it works. Maybe Danny White can find that Bruce Pearl that took us 6 tries to find.
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Well, there was a guy who was about 2 hours away that wouldve been a fine choice at that salary. Fred doesnt even belong in the discussion. His salary is closer to the bottom than it is Calapari's and Coach K. Buzz is is a better argument, but im positive he wasnt brought in for season ties and tourney appearances. Im sure if he doesnt produce he will be canned.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Well you either let Barnes walk with the risk of losing Chandler, Mashack, and most likely BHH or you bump up his salary to keep him from taking an offer from UCLA.

Losing key recruits with no back up plan would have been worse so...
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Well if he walked there was a guy about 2 hours away that wouldve been a solid backup plan. Second depending on what your program expectations are I think letting Barnes walk then you decide if hes worth it. For UCLA sure, they needed somebody that could rebuild the program and breath some life back into it, so it was worth it for them. For TN if you want championships, Nah thats not who Barnes is thats not what he does.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Well, there was a guy who was about 2 hours away that wouldve been a fine choice at that salary. Fred doesnt even belong in the discussion. His salary is closer to the bottom than it is Calapari's and Coach K. Buzz is is a better argument, but im positive he wasnt brought in for season ties and tourney appearances. Im sure if he doesnt produce he will be canned.
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Forbes?
 
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SGMVols said:
He finished 14th in the ACC this year.
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zjcvols said:
Well Josh, as we have had this discussion I’d say around 10 times now, I don’t want Barnes fired. He’s doing fine here. I am frustrated that Barnes and his teams are showing a yearly propensity to fade in March and I believe that some of the fan base is beginning to show that as well after he got a significant pay increase.
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This x1000. 😂 thank you. / thread please
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Yes I think he is a very good coach.
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Maybe or maybe not. Here's the thing with mid major coaches: maybe you get the next Pearl, maybe you get the next Buzz Peterson. I would rather overpay to keep a guy who I know will get me to the tournament consistently than take a chance on a guy who, to this point in his career, has only won in the SOCON. That's just me.

With that being said, had Barnes left even after the offer we made him the $5m offer, then I certainly would have considered Forbes.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Well, there was a guy who was about 2 hours away that wouldve been a fine choice at that salary. Fred doesnt even belong in the discussion. His salary is closer to the bottom than it is Calapari's and Coach K. Buzz is is a better argument, but im positive he wasnt brought in for season ties and tourney appearances. Im sure if he doesnt produce he will be canned.
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Hoiberg makes 4 million, which is closer to Barnes than Calipari. He’s also at Nebraska, which hasn’t been good at basketball in my lifetime.

Glad we have fans who can flippantly say a midmajor coach two hours away would be just as good. That literally has happened about 1 out of 8 hires at UT. History is not good.

I’m pretty sure if Buzz does what Barnes has done at UT, then they would be very happy at A&M.

Can’t believe it’s a discussion. It’s very simple to understand.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Hoiberg makes 4 million, which is closer to Barnes than Calipari. He’s also at Nebraska, which hasn’t been good at basketball in my lifetime.

Glad we have fans who can flippantly say a midmajor coach two hours away would be just as good. That literally has happened about 1 out of 8 hires at UT. History is not good.

I’m pretty sure if Buzz does what Barnes has done at UT, then they would be very happy at A&M.

Can’t believe it’s a discussion. It’s very simple to understand.
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My fault on Hoibergs salary, for some reason I had season 1.9 somewhere and had that stuck in my head.
Do we actually know what AM fans think? I think you are assuming.
Yes, I think Forbes could do what Barnes is doing for less money.
I agree that its not hard to see whats happening, Barnes played UT for championship money while giving above average but not great results.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
My fault on Hoibergs salary, for some reason I had season 1.9 somewhere and had that stuck in my head.
Do we actually know what AM fans think? I think you are assuming.
Yes, I think Forbes could do what Barnes is doing for less money.
I agree that its not hard to see whats happening, Barnes played UT for championship money while giving above average but not great results.
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I was willing to speculate about A&M since you did the same about Forbes. Kind of how that works.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Lol. Not sure I can have any more discussion if you want to compare UK’s recruiting classes to those Texas teams. In Davis’ one year, Cal signed 3 of the top 5-10 players. He had like 5 top 25 players on the roster including two sophomores and a senior. His only title. 6 players on that team averaged double figures while Durant was scoring 25 to keep his team winning.
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I see you failed to acknowledge Syracuse. How about Cal at Memphis? Rose was another great 1 and done and the sole Parade AA level recruit on that Memphis team. It went to the final game.

Texas averaged 82 ppg. Durant 25 of those. It had plenty of talent. Plenty of fire power. 4 hs all Americans, AJ Abrams who averaged 16 a game and was all B12 besides those 4. Losing 11 and to USC in rd 2 was ridiculous underachieving for that team. If your head is so far up Barnes backside that you can't see that I don't see any reason to continue.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
My fault on Hoibergs salary, for some reason I had season 1.9 somewhere and had that stuck in my head.
Do we actually know what AM fans think? I think you are assuming.
Yes, I think Forbes could do what Barnes is doing for less money.
I agree that its not hard to see whats happening, Barnes played UT for championship money while giving above average but not great results.
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Why do you care so much about the money? You would really rather risk a Forbes hire (who really tore it up at Wake Forest this year by the way) just to save the athletic department some money? Are you happier paying 2.5 million for 16 wins instead of 5 million for 25? Cause that would be more wins per dollar spent
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I see you failed to acknowledge Syracuse. How about Cal at Memphis? Rose was another great 1 and done and the sole Parade AA level recruit on that Memphis team. It went to the final game.

Texas averaged 82 ppg. Durant 25 of those. It had plenty of talent. Plenty of fire power. 4 hs all Americans, AJ Abrams who averaged 16 a game and was all B12 besides those 4. Losing 11 and to USC in rd 2 was ridiculous underachieving for that team. If your head is so far up Barnes backside that you can't see that I don't see any reason to continue.
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I didn’t know much about Syracuse’s circumstances, and it was 20 years ago. I wasn’t looking it up.

I know about Memphis because I was raised there and now live there. Rose started alongside three juniors and a senior. All highly recruited. Two others played in the NBA. Chris Douglas-Roberts was the conference player of the year, an All-American, and averaged 23 points in the NCAAT. Calipari had a veteran team, and Rose was the cherry on top. Totally different than what Barnes had. In fact, it makes a lot of sense when Barnes went 31-7 the next year because everyone came back except Durant.

USC had Mayo and Gibson, who were also NBA players.

I can see that Barnes has some flaws, but it astounds me that our fans try so hard to discredit him. No one does research either to understand why things happen.
 
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