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Devo182 said:
Anyone want to give their ranking of all the Def staff and Off staff hires? Would be interested to hear from anyone that has been able to follow closely.

All I have is - my defensive #1 would be Garner. Offensive #1 Halzle/Golesh. Mostly just a guess on offense though.
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Overall, considering the circumstances I’d give it a B+ overall.

Offensive: Grade A: Best thing he could do offensively was bring in his current staff. They already know the process and offensive system. This should cut the learning curve and limit staff turnover. The only concern should be their ability to recruit at the level this job requires. Golesh, Elarbee, and Halze fit that criteria.
I’d give an A grade to Kodi Burns. SEC Player, SEC Coach, SEC Recruiter. He was co OC at AU. You don’t give that title to someone unless you are scared of losing him, and need to pay him to stay.
Jerry Mack I’d give a A. TN Native. Long time coach. Polished. Been an OC and a Head Coach. Should be able to recruit instate. Which honestly, recruiting is what you want from a RB Coach.

Defensive: Grade B: This should of been harder roles to hire. These type of offenses are not kind to defenses.
Tim Banks I’d give a C. Was a P5 DC then fell down a notch to Co-DC / Position Coach. He has experience. Should be a solid recruiter. And he fits the aggressive, turn the ball over style Heupel wants. He gets the knock because he is far from a proven commodity.
Rodney Garner is an A+ hire. You couldn’t ask for a more proven DL Coach and recruiter. No brainer hire.
Willie Martinez is a B hire. He is a known commodity. Coached and recruited in the SEC. His defenses turn the ball over, and he coached with Heupel at OU and UCF. There is obviously comfortability their.
Brian Jean-Mary is a B+ hire. Obviously loyal to Charlie Strong, spent ten years with him. Known for his turnover defenses (get the theme). Coached at major programs such as Michigan and Texas. Was a pretty successful DC at USF.

Hiring Scott Altizer, Brandon Lawson , Jake Breske, Charlie High, and Trey Johnson are A+ hires. And will do a lot more for this program than they will get credit for. Go read their bios. Hint* very much a TN recruiting flavor. Heupel is not lying about prioritizing instate recruits.

Overall, he set an identity. Offense is fast paced and aggressive. Defense is looking for turnovers. And recruiting is TN focused.

Tim Banks is the only hire I’m questionable on. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
 
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BruinVol said:
He wasn’t going to Finish the game anyways folks
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raw
 
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BruinVol said:
Well I thought you meant when they were hired and 28-8 is solid but the downward trend is why most of us INITIALLY didn’t think JH was a strong candidate
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The downward trend wasn’t really a downward trend.....

He literally lost 3 games by like 7 points or something like that in 2019 and last year he had like 10 starters opt out.

He had one bad game last year.... yet still have an offense that put up over 500yds a game
 
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MarcoVol said:
If there was ever anything that’s been true, it’s that there is a huge disconnect for how fans think players on the team feel vs how players on the team actually feel.

Those players/brothers will likely still support HT except when they play vs his future team and not hate him.
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HT goes anywhere but Bama and I’ll support him. If he goes to Bama idc if he busts out the NFL. But still. The dude has had more camera time than anyone these last few years and always talking about the team as a family. Well, family doesn’t quit when it gets tough. He wasn’t playing for his brothers. He’s playing for himself. Which is fine honestly. Just don’t go around acting like you are the leader of the team and ‘family.’ Ride or die man. Ride or die.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
The downward trend wasn’t really a downward trend.....

He literally lost 3 games by like 7 points or something like that in 2019 and last year he had like 10 starters opt out.

He had one bad game last year.... yet still have an offense that put up over 500yds a game
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I don’t think it’s fair to judge any coach on this covid year so I somewhat agree
 
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I4Jay said:
This may not be popular, but I think Heupel should make a power play and tell Henry, just go head and leave.

It would send a message to everyone in the locker room, idc who you are, if you not all the way in, no ones forcing you to stay.
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I could not agree more, tell him to kick rocks. This program needs a fresh start with kids that are bought in. It says everything to me that these supposed team leaders are leaving the program, it’s no surprise we went 3-7 last year. I’m so ready for the new era of Tennessee football with players that are all-in on the program.
 
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letsgoUT29 said:
I could not agree more, tell him to kick rocks. This program needs a fresh start with kids that are bought in. It says everything to me that these supposed team leaders are leaving the program, it’s no surprise we went 3-7 last year. I’m so ready for the new era of Tennessee football with players that are all-in on the program.
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He’s not here anyways

You can’t tell him to lock rocks and send a message to locker room when he’s in Cali
 
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The Dog said:
Since when ? U are always talking Vols baseball, what happened ?
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Baseball is my first love and I love college baseball. I just hate the ncaa for allowing it to run the way it is in the recruiting world. And TV is extremely harsh when it comes to how he recruits and I can’t support that.
 
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BruinVol said:
Baseball is my first love and I love college baseball. I just hate the ncaa for allowing it to run the way it is in the recruiting world. And TV is extremely harsh when it comes to how he recruits and I can’t support that.
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Ok, but it's working for the first time since Delmonico left. One of our other coaches was bringing in studs like Mookie Betts, among others, but got killed in the draft every year. There's a happy medium and it looks like Tony V has found it. So, I don't see the problem, maybe u should elaborate ?
 
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Smokeytom said:
HT goes anywhere but Bama and I’ll support him. If he goes to Bama idc if he busts out the NFL. But still. The dude has had more camera time than anyone these last few years and always talking about the team as a family. Well, family doesn’t quit when it gets tough. He wasn’t playing for his brothers. He’s playing for himself. Which is fine honestly. Just don’t go around acting like you are the leader of the team and ‘family.’ Ride or die man. Ride or die.
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If he wears Crimson, I hope he never sees the field and makes the supplemental draft as practice squad fodder!
 
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The Dog said:
Ok, but it's working for the first time since Delmonico left. One of our other coaches was bringing in studs like Mookie Betts, among others, but got killed in the draft every year. There's a happy medium and it looks like Tony V has found it. So, I don't see the problem, maybe u should elaborate ?
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I’ve said this a number of times in the baseball forum and I’ll be brief trying to explain my
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1) TV is exactly the only kind of coach that can win here. He recruits in a way that treats each recruit as a number and catches and releases like they are fish when the live well is full. But again this is the only way to win when Vandy is on your backyard


2) over signing must be done to protect yourself from the draft. 35 is the roster limit so recruiting to 38-42 players is what must be done to protect yourself from the mookie Betts of the world. BUT it’s when you over recruit to take advantage of the rules to a much higher degree that is a problem. TV will have 50 or more players for each team before he throws fish back out of the live well .


That’s why I can’t support this program
 
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thistime said:
How did those first to work out for many of those that have left or are leaving. As for what do we have to offer : Playing in the best league in the country, The use of some of if not the best facilities in the country. A tradition that has been matched by few. A chance to get a World Class education in one of the Best place's in the world. Connections that will last a lifetime......other than that I can't think of much.

edit: I can't spell no education.
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That sounds like a Tennessee fans point of view..... every other college claims to be a world class education.....have connections.... and a great conference.
 
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