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VOLINVONORE said:
Everyone thought Pruitt was the best defensive guy in the Country. His inexperience as a head coach raised his ugly head nd he was unable to learn the ropes in three years, now of which was the Covid year. He hired some really good recruiters; it just turned ut that some of them were good recruiters because they cheated. He says he didn't know they were cheating, but he is still responsible fr their actions and it cost him his job. He had not face the problems associated with being a head coach and he paid the price.

However, that is now water over the dam. Tis is one reason why I hope our new AD selects someone who has been a HC for a few years and had the experience to run our football program. He will face a lot of problems, but at least he has an experienced AD who can help he clean up the mess. I look forward to the next 2-3 years and hope and pray that they will e able to pull our program out of the mud and get us back to the king of the hill in a few years.
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A sitting experienced HC would be nice but its no guarantee we can get that. Also right after Pruitt was hired former players told us what a disaster he would be. I feel confident in saying that won't happen with Elliott.
 
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Well, we have established the flavor of the day that will not be coming here.

Fan base before we hired Pruitt, YES! the best DC in the world and from BAMA WOOOHOOO LET"S ROCK !!!
Three years and 50 level 1 violations later:
YES! TONY ELLIOT best OC in the world and he's from Clemson WOOOOHOOO Let's Rock! But he has no HC experience. Yeah but he the best OC in the world!!!

We never learn lol
 
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Catbone said:
Look at where Oklahoma and Ohio State was in the grand scheme compared to us.
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Sure no doubt that’s a factor and Dabo had no experience either in a much worse situation

we are in bad shape. I don’t think it matters who we hire by the way. They won’t succeed anyway imo
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Chadwell is a fraud. His 4th year at CSU his team regressed. He had 2 losing seasons at CC. He has one good year in a COVID year and all the sudden he's the best thing ever? A year ago nobody knew who he was. Besides what contacts does he have to bring in a good staff? What in roads does he have to get this loaded 22 in state class?
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Everything you’ve said here is more than Elliot has accomplished
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
No experience. None. 0. We’ve done the coordinator route.

People are yelling recruiting ties! Pruitt had those. People are yelling elite offensive mind! They said the same about Pruitt’s defensive mind.

It would be incredibly stupid to fire a first time HC who was a coordinator for the best team in college football only to hire another first time HC who is a coordinator for the other best team in college football.

DISASTER
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This. Could not agree more. Hire a proven successful head coach.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
No experience. None. 0. We’ve done the coordinator route.

People are yelling recruiting ties! Pruitt had those. People are yelling elite offensive mind! They said the same about Pruitt’s defensive mind.

It would be incredibly stupid to fire a first time HC who was a coordinator for the best team in college football only to hire another first time HC who is a coordinator for the other best team in college football.

DISASTER
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I don’t know about disaster... They are two different types of people. One is viewed as an a**and the other is viewed as genuine good person. I think those differences alone make him more likely to succeed then Pruitt. Time will tell though. As it’s been said before there were several can’t miss coaches who have been misses. No matter who it is we won’t know how well the hire is until about year 3-4 depending on sanctions.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Because he’s an experiment.

It’s a risk because you don’t know what you’re going to get out of him.

Not to mention, he had loads of talent to work with under one of the best coaches in college football.

The SEC won’t be like that when he’s going up against teams with more talent than him.
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I don’t have any qualms about Elliot purely as a coach. However...

We have a rotten culture that has settled in here. We need either someone who has proven they can instill a winning culture at a place that’s experienced a lot of losing, or someone with so much cache that they can demand a culture change immediately.

Like Pruitt, Elliot hasn’t had to worry about that because the culture has been established by the head coach. And that would be a real concern for me.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
You’re literally pulling that out of your butt. Elliot has never been a Hc. Meanwhile Chadwell is coach of the year who went 11-1, lost to Freeze in OT, beat a top ranked BYU team, and finished in the top 10. Not to mention has built programs and won everywhere he’s been.

But sure, Jan. No experience Elliot is better 😒
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I gotta agree with you on this. To call Elliot a better coach than Chadwell is kind of dumb.
He could end up being a better coach than Chadwell... but right now, Chadwell IS a head coach and just won coach of the year.
Makes no sense to say Elliot is better, at this point at least.
 
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HankHill said:
Head coach experience is definitely a ? But i wouldn’t consider it a red flag. Tony is totally different than Pruitt. He’s turned down head coaching offers and had nfl head coaching interviews. That never happens for coordinator.

Pruitt was a Gump bagman pretending to be a good coach.
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NFL drafts. College recruits. HC in the NFL is far different. We have far inferior talent to our rivals. We need someone who can develop why we have and recruit better talent. There is literally 0 evidence that Elliot can do either of those things
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
No experience. None. 0. We’ve done the coordinator route.

People are yelling recruiting ties! Pruitt had those. People are yelling elite offensive mind! They said the same about Pruitt’s defensive mind.

It would be incredibly stupid to fire a first time HC who was a coordinator for the best team in college football only to hire another first time HC who is a coordinator for the other best team in college football.

DISASTER
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Exactly. This needs to be copied and pasted to the AD’s email.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
You’re literally pulling that out of your butt. Elliot has never been a Hc. Meanwhile Chadwell is coach of the year who went 11-1, lost to Freeze in OT, beat a top ranked BYU team, and finished in the top 10. Not to mention has built programs and won everywhere he’s been.

But sure, Jan. No experience Elliot is better 😒
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You could say the same thing about your statement. Elliot has had far more opportunities than Chadwell, he just chose to stay at Clemson. You don’t get nfl interviews if you aren’t well regarded just in terms of football.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
NFL drafts. College recruits. HC in the NFL is far different. We have far inferior talent to our rivals. We need someone who can develop why we have and recruit better talent. There is literally 0 evidence that Elliot can do either of those things
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How is there no evidence of Elliot developing anyone? Everyone knows Dabo is a CEO lol. Who do you think is doing the legwork in terms of game planning and practice
 
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