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LA Vol said:
I guess that depends on where you put the line. For the guys I consider top tier, yes. I think the elites are a very small club. But Pruitt is bottom-tier, so mid-tier is the playing field for most schools. Then you start layering in and prioritizing the variables-- are we going to hold firm with wanting a sitting coach, how important is rebuild experience, whose personality and style would be a good fit with UTAD and is that going to matter? And on it goes.
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Depending on the coach, and how they develop players we won't need a rebuild this time. We have the players now, just not development
 
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SIAP, but for those of you with a subscription to The Athletic, here is a good article about recruiting from recruiting staffers in various conferences....

‘It is hard to say no to Nick Saban’: An anonymous survey of recruiting staffers

Here are a couple of snippets I found interesting...

What is the biggest misconception in recruiting?
SEC-1: “Simple. That recruits watch the outcome of games and think that they’re going to go to the place that wins. It’s the converse that is many times true. Because when we lose a game, we’ll have recruits call us and say, ‘If I were out there, you guys would have won that game.’ They don’t care about wins and losses.
“You have isolated instances where kids come down to one game, but the majority of what they care about is the totality of the program, the long-term record, the facilities, the people and the track record of people in the NFL. Winning and losing in one game? That’s a complete myth. It doesn’t matter.”

Pac-12-1: “Probably that the history of a school and tradition and anything they have done previously in their history outside of the past five years matters to recruits.”


"What percent of your 2021 class have you been unable to evaluate in person because of the COVID-19-related dead period?
SEC-2: “60 to 65 percent”
SEC-3: “85 percent”
SEC-1: “Since March, we haven’t had any in-person contact. But we’re in a state where we have pretty good talent and guys would come to our campus as freshmen and sophomores. So, I would say, as a percentage of people who have come and camped with us to evaluate in person, I would say 40 percent tops. So 60 percent we haven’t seen.”
 
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LA Vol said:
The aTm outcome doesn't matter. What matters is if UT can make a hire it wants. I'm hundreds of posts behind so IDK who the VN flavors du jour are now. But many of these names are unrealistic-- not because UT hasn't inquired or won't pay, but because some guys are simply not going to come, for whatever reason. So it comes down to how far down the list do you go before Anybody But Jeremy isn't enough.

Some things happened this weekend. But as we've seen, there aren't that many white whales out there. Others are looking, too.
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Urban or Freeze. Let’s ride!
 
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LA Vol said:
I guess that depends on where you put the line. For the guys I consider top tier, yes. I think the elites are a very small club. But Pruitt is bottom-tier, so mid-tier is the playing field for most schools. Then you start layering in and prioritizing the variables-- are we going to hold firm with wanting a sitting coach, how important is rebuild experience, whose personality and style would be a good fit with UTAD and is that going to matter? And on it goes.
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It's not like any elite club coach will come here next year either. What's the point of waiting? Upgrade to a mid tier coach. There's several available right now
 
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LA Vol said:
The aTm outcome doesn't matter. What matters is if UT can make a hire it wants. I'm hundreds of posts behind so IDK who the VN flavors du jour are now. But many of these names are unrealistic-- not because UT hasn't inquired or won't pay, but because some guys are simply not going to come, for whatever reason. So it comes down to how far down the list do you go before Anybody But Jeremy isn't enough.

Some things happened this weekend. But as we've seen, there aren't that many white whales out there. Others are looking, too.
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somebody posted a pic in here earlier of a white whale on top of a shark
 
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LA Vol said:
The question really is, who can we get that we would like to have... and think is worth making a change for right now? Most lists start with the same names, and every school calls them. You do your due diligence, collect your nos then see how far down the list you have to go before determining if it's worth it.
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Urban down to Napier. Can’t go wrong.
 
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I won’t be too disappointed if we don’t make a move. It appears the people in charge are going about this right way for once.

We’ll get a year to get our ducks in a row then jump in the water after he loses to Florida and Pitt.
 
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Catbone said:
It's not like any elite club coach will come here next year either. What's the point of waiting? Upgrade to a mid tier coach. There's several available right now
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Yep. There are options available. If they say they can’t find anyone better than Pruitt, then they aren’t really trying.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I happen to think Gus would be successful here, but I understand the hesitation.

But, again, you're prescribing your own logic to a Tennessee coaching search. There is no standard logic and we know that by now.

Not attacking you directly, but there seems to be this mindset of posters here that goes something like, "I think this would be a bad hire, so for that reason, it's impossible and not worth talking about." That's wrong.

Look at Auburn right now for proof a coaching search can get away from you quickly.
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I don't think AU coaching search has gotten away from them. I think their man is coaching in the PAC 12 championship.
 
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matt_mccoy19 said:
So what LA Vol is saying is we aren’t going to fire Pruitt?
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No, what I'm saying is, UT is unlikely to fire Pruitt to hire Anybody But Pruitt. If UT were committed to firing at all costs, UT would already be in the 2020 coaching sweepstakes.

It will have to be somebody that has strong support among a very small group of decisionmakers. And one decisionmaker stands taller than the rest.
 
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"It's Time" said:
I won’t be too disappointed if we don’t make a move. It appears the people in charge are going about this right way for once.

We’ll get a year to get our ducks in a row then jump in the water after he loses to Florida and Pitt.
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Absolutely not. You don’t waste a year letting our players get worse, more losses, and kill recruiting. It will be another three year rebuild then. If you cut ties now, we still have talent to complete and make a quick comeback. Delaying the inevitable is always a bad choice. It sets you further back in the long run.
 
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Dear Coach Fulmer, BOT, and very rich people,

We are sad. Our Vols have been irrelevant since you were canned (I was against that decision). The morale here is low. @Bassmaster_Vol has started a Hugh Freeze cult. You have to freeze your nipples to a metal pole to get in. @nicksjuzunk no longer has the desire to predict the future in his game week threads and tried to harm himself by following a diet of torture and misery. Even his pet cobras have stopped biting. And wait til you hear about our beloved @Ron Swanson. The sunshine is gone. The man that could find a rainbow in septic tank, can find no joy. Please give us back our Ron!
All we ask is that you find a coach and staff that will never lose another game for all eternity. Is that really too much to ask?

Please send help!

Signed,
VolNation
 
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LA Vol said:
I guess that depends on where you put the line. For the guys I consider top tier, yes. I think the elites are a very small club. But Pruitt is bottom-tier, so mid-tier is the playing field for most schools. Then you start layering in and prioritizing the variables-- are we going to hold firm with wanting a sitting coach, how important is rebuild experience, whose personality and style would be a good fit with UTAD and is that going to matter? And on it goes.
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Great info LA. Mind if I ask you who are your top coaches would be? And your second tier coaches you would be happy with? And do you think we have exhausted the top tier already? Sorry for all the questions but this is great info.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Auburn just fired their 6-4 coach and they’re paying a 21 million dollar buyout. They care about winning. Alabama went through several coaches proving they care about winning and aren’t scared to fire someone that isn’t working out.

Pruitt isn’t going to turn things around here. It’s obvious to almost everyone. Giving another year or 2 won’t change that. Pruitts ceiling is 8 wins if he’s lucky. There’s no point in keeping him.
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This discussion keeps coming up and the argument is so flawed. "They care about winning" being tied to "they fired a coach with decent record and paid huge buyout" means they want to look like they care about winning but doesn't mean they necessarily understand how to win. They are a cluster right now and look like they might be promoting their DC. They made a brash-emotional decision because they want to win but don't have the fortitude, discipline and structure to figure out in a way that actually has a better chance of providing these WINS that they want. Just buying your girlfriend and expensive present doesn't mean you actually care about her.
 
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