2020 Presidential Race

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Stew Cook said:
At best, if this legal theory had any merit, these states would have to nullify the entire election. Subsequently, those who won seats under the nullified election would also be voided. This is where things would go off the rails... how many would be hapoy to risk a redo?

Also, any state which made even minor election changes because of the pandemic or otherwise might find their elections voided as well, not just those Trump lost e.g. North Carolina and Texas.

I'm sure Trump loyalists would be happy to have a total redo, because "what your saying is, we have a chance.^.

I'm thinking the newly elected and re-elected would be changing their tune quickly.

Finally, if Trump lost again... this BS just starts all over.
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Exactly. There is not a set of conditions under which Donald Trump would lose an election without completely attributing his defeat to fraud. It is the Trump mantra to never apologize, never admit to a mistake and never admit defeat.
 
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MontyPython said:
You're right, of course.

Most if not nearly every state amended its voting procedures to allow for additional mail-in and absentee voting due to the pandemic. Those who back the Texas lawsuit, therefore, support LESS voting ability of the general public which is, naturally, antithetical to 'free and fair' elections, and a position SCOTUS would never support much less address.
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It is always about less people voting, not more. Especially less minorities voting.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
What drives me crazy, dare I say triggered, is that I don't see any truth in this ******** thing. I'm still waiting on this nebulous "proof". I keep waiting , and waiting, and waiting, and there is nothing. I'm also told I should believe every single thing that Jack and Sweet Boi Kye tweets. But anyone that discredits them (which is simple) is a pinko commie. It cracks me up that folks are like "how can you discredit sweet boi Kyle!!!" then folks do it, and there is some bs about the Deep State. Or we "just don't get it."
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Have you been drinking this morning?

BTW, who is Jack and Sweet Boi Kye?
 
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Texas GOP Rep. Chip Roy isn't joining election lawsuit – here's why
'I cannot support an effort that will almost certainly fail on grounds of standing,' Roy said

Roy said 106 of his colleagues in Congress filed an amicus brief supporting the Texas lawsuit, but he said he would refrain from doing so himself.

"Respectfully, I will not join because I believe the case itself represents a dangerous violation of federalism and sets a precedent to have one state asking federal courts to police the voting procedures of other states," he said.

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MontyPython said:
Texas GOP Rep. Chip Roy isn't joining election lawsuit – here's why
'I cannot support an effort that will almost certainly fail on grounds of standing,' Roy said

Roy said 106 of his colleagues in Congress filed an amicus brief supporting the Texas lawsuit, but he said he would refrain from doing so himself.

"Respectfully, I will not join because I believe the case itself represents a dangerous violation of federalism and sets a precedent to have one state asking federal courts to police the voting procedures of other states," he said.

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Can’t one of them just say they won’t support it because it’s obviously a coup?
 
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tvolsfan said:
Can’t one of them just say they won’t support it because it’s obviously a coup?
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65-70% of Republicans still think Biden won by fraud.

I figure that number will settle down to about 35-40% over time, but I can't see many Republicans, hoping to hold their office, trying to sway anyone that the courts can't.
 
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Stew Cook said:
At best, if this legal theory had any merit, these states would have to nullify the entire election. Subsequently, those who won seats under the nullified election would also be voided. This is where things would go off the rails... how many would be hapoy to risk a redo?

Also, any state which made even minor election changes because of the pandemic or otherwise might find their elections voided as well, not just those Trump lost e.g. North Carolina and Texas.

I'm sure Trump loyalists would be happy to have a total redo, because "what your saying is, we have a chance.^.

I'm thinking the newly elected and re-elected would be changing their tune quickly.

Finally, if Trump lost again... this BS just starts all over.
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Actually it would not spark a “redo”.
If SCOTUS rules in favor of Texas then there are several things that could happen. The worst case senecio would be those states set aside and then neither candidate reaches the 272 EC votes. At that point it would be i the hands of the state legislatures to vote on behalf of the state. Even then it’s unclear if it would fall back to every state legislature or just the 4 set aside.

Even if it were to go to an entire state legislature vote I think it still would break Bidens way. If at the end of the day we go through all this (and I think we absolutely should) and it still breaks Bidens way it will be a good day in my mind. The constitution will have been protected and maybe just maybe nobody tries to go around the constitution again. Furthermore the new rules for ballot collecting will be thrown out and legislature will have to do its job if they want change.

However if the EO is allowed to stand the left will be on here raising hell when the other side eliminates gun laws by the same method. (Keep an eye on Texas)

Asking everyone to follow the law is not unreasonable.
 
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Gandalf said:
It should always be about every CITIZEN voting, in the manner legally prescribed, only once. What does ethnicity have to do with this, unless you are saying they are the illegal voters.
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The number of demonstrably disallowed votes is a handful. In an election with 150 million people voting there will invariably be a few. If you listen to those with experience, there are always a few.

But what is happening here is that Trumpsters are latching on to those rare tales and trying to spin that up as systemic, when its not. And they know its not.

Red Mirage did not work. We all knew the effort was coming. What is going on now to perpetuate it is just pathetic and sad. Let it go. Trump lost.
 
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Stew Cook said:
65-70% of Republicans still think Biden won by fraud.

I figure that number will settle down to about 35-40% over time, but I can't see many Republicans, hoping to hold their office, trying to sway anyone that the courts can't.
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What percentage of Dems thought the Russians got Trump elected in 2016?
 
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Gandalf said:
It should always be about every CITIZEN voting, in the manner legally prescribed, only once. What does ethnicity have to do with this, unless you are saying they are the illegal voters.
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Hes talking about disenfranchisement tactics. Been going on for over a hundred years. Nothing new.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Actually it would not spark a “redo”.
If SCOTUS rules in favor of Texas then there are several things that could happen. The worst case senecio would be those states set aside and then neither candidate reaches the 272 EC votes. At that point it would be i the hands of the state legislatures to vote on behalf of the state. Even then it’s unclear if it would fall back to every state legislature or just the 4 set aside.

Even if it were to go to an entire state legislature vote I think it still would break Bidens way. If at the end of the day we go through all this (and I think we absolutely should) and it still breaks Bidens way it will be a good day in my mind. The constitution will have been protected and maybe just maybe nobody tries to go around the constitution again. Furthermore the new rules for ballot collecting will be thrown out and legislature will have to do its job if they want change.

However if the EO is allowed to stand the left will be on here raising hell when the other side eliminates gun laws by the same method. (Keep an eye on Texas)

Asking everyone to follow the law is not unreasonable.
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I can't see a precedent being set this way. It just opens up every state to endless litigation.

The idea that a ruling would be retroactive could call into question the legitimacy of those very legislatures voted-in during 2018 and prior even.
 
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