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I see so many talking about how we must keep Fulmer because he loves UT and while thats true Fulmer loves himself more than he does UT. Here's what I mean, Fulmer knows moving on from Pruitt is the best thing to do for this program moving forward and he knows there is a homerun hire down the road that can get this thing turned around. However, Fulmer knows that moving on from Pruitt is not whats best for Fulmer.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
I see so many talking about how we must keep Fulmer because he loves UT and while thats true Fulmer loves himself more than he does UT. Here's what I mean, Fulmer knows moving on from Pruitt is the best thing to do for this program moving forward and he knows there is a homerun hire down the road that can get this thing turned around. However, Fulmer knows that moving on from Pruitt is not whats best for Fulmer.
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He's got a buyout too. Not sure how much. Question will be when Vandy game is cancelled later this week, and if Pruitt was to lose by 25-30pts to A&M, can Fulmer still make an arguement to keep Pruitt? I doubt he will walk the plank with Pruitt.
 
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volatil said:
Sure let’s wait until next year and Miss on some good coaches. Miss on this loaded in state class for ‘22 too.

3-4 years from now we should have this same conversation.

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It’s unbelievable the incompetency that exists up there! It’s unimaginable that we STILL haven’t learned our lessons from the past 12 years of hiring and firing coaches, and the right time to do it to advance the program back where we want it in a realistic time frame. Instead we continue to wait a year too long and set the program back to deeper depths for 5+ more years.

@Atlanta VOL, you can send a collective statement to the admins, Fulmer, and whoever else that matters from Volnation (and yes, I know they could care less about this great fanbase who they have taken advantage of for way too long):

Tell them they are very very close to losing a whole slew of us for a very long time. We are tired of this crap show we keep being fed. We are tired of crap coaches being hired on the cheap. We are tired of experiments. The decision is the easiest one you have had to make in the past decade, yet you continue to drag your feet and not do it, and you use Andy as the measuring stick. What a despicable and sad time it is for our once proud program! You don’t want to take pride in it anymore and make us great again? Fine, we won’t either! Then you can have fun operating in the red when no one wants to fill up Neyland because of the crap you have tried to feed us for so long.

Signed,
A very disappointed alumnus
 
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MrVolton said:
From the outside looking in, the decision to give Pruitt such a sweet extension looks pretty DUMB.
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And I think your beef is with agents who have created this world in which “progress” through two seasons gets a new football coach an extension.

Absolutely no one complained about that extension when it was announced, because we all knew it was coming. Does it suck in hindsight? Sure. But every athletic director would have been forced to do it.
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Well we tried that Gundy. Now most were suprised when Bronco Mendenhall left BYU for UVA. I would prefer him to flavor of the month like Chadwell or Napier. Probably even like him more than Herman.
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Not every case is the same. Impressive as Boise State has been on their level...it’s a lower level. Oklahoma State is P5 and had Picken’s largesse in it’s corner. Mendenhall fwiw isn’t a BYU alumnus...he played at Oregon State.
 
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Read through some of the stuff last night. If that is true, then Fulmer is just as bad And dumb as Pruitt. UT is crashing as we speak, free falling with no end in sight.

Administration is a giant group of losers who don’t need to be associated with the football program. We’re going to show some stability for sure by losing half of our assistants, dropping in recruiting, and having no shot at a great 22 class. Meanwhile showing consistency at being bad at football on the field
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
Fulmer is tied to JP success at this point. Fulmer has crossed the line a few times as it relates to his AD role and some big time boosters are well aware of this when/if the time comes to ensure he is shown the door if the opportunity presents itself.
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AV, you can just say Haslams in place of big time boosters. We are all aware of the dislike between them and Fulmer. I’m sure they are the ones feeding the Freeze frenzy, trying to push Pruitt and Fulmer out the door. I still don’t understand why Fulmer doesn’t get a re-do. He was up against the 8 ball when he took over with a horribly botched search by Currie. He didn’t have any real candidates when he had the position to make the hire. This is all absurd. It’s what is wrong with our program and university. Sad and despicable!
 
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butchna said:
Not every case is the same. Impressive as Boise State has been on their level...it’s a lower level. Oklahoma State is P5 and had Picken’s largesse in it’s corner. Mendenhall fwiw isn’t a BYU alumnus...he played at Oregon State.
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Yeah, I did know Mendenhall wasn't a BYU alum. So as you say apples not to apples. I agree, if Fulmer has as connection, and IF they move in from CJP, Harsin should probably be near the top of the list. Plus you could double his salary easily.

What's Bryan Harsin's contract situation and buyout at Boise State
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
AV, you can just say Haslams in place of big time boosters. We are all aware of the dislike between them and Fulmer. I’m sure they are the ones feeding the Freeze frenzy, trying to push Pruitt and Fulmer out the door. I still don’t understand why Fulmer doesn’t get a re-do. He was up against the 8 ball when he took over with a horribly botched search by Currie. He didn’t have any real candidates when he had the position to make the hire. This is all absurd. It’s what is wrong with our program and university. Sad and despicable!
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Fulmer has been doubling down on a bad decision. He's not ready to admit Pruitt has failed and move on. That's why he doesn't get a "re-do". He hasn't tried to redo anything. He's continuing a failed experiment and digging us a deeper hole in the process. I loved Fulmer as a coach and a player, but his stubbornness isn't serving him well as an AD.
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
He's got a buyout too. Not sure how much. Question will be when Vandy game is cancelled later this week, and if Pruitt was to lose by 25-30pts to A&M, can Fulmer still make an arguement to keep Pruitt? I doubt he will walk the plank with Pruitt.
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247 reported last night that Vandy has enough to play and they want to play UT
 
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So glad we're talking about keeping Will Friend. I love having multiple 4-5* offensive lineman and have a rushing offense ranked 96th in the country in rush yards per attempt. Not quite as good as MTSU but definitely above Arkansas State. It's ok. He's only the 2nd highest paid OL coach in the country, we need to get him above 900k so he can beat out Matt Luke at Georgia.
 
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tnktm said:
In real life you have to worry about embarrassing the university if you hire Freeze and you have to worry about firing a guy in year 3 that you promised 5 years to. You have to look people in the face as you talk about these decisions.
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Dude we are hiring a football coach not a priest. You know what is embarrassing this football program over the past 12 years. It’s time to make this change that is so obvious it hurts.
 
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Wonder if true.

Tennessee has a lot of talent. Besides Alabama, Florida, and Georgia we have had more talent than any other team we have played including Auburn.

We are just really poorly coached.

I'd like to see what a good HC could do with this team.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
And I think your beef is with agents who have created this world in which “progress” through two seasons gets a new football coach an extension.

Absolutely no one complained about that extension when it was announced, because we all knew it was coming. Does it suck in hindsight? Sure. But every athletic director would have been forced to do it.
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What was the risk in not extending him? Where was he going? By the end of last season he hadn't really accomplished anything that warranted a raise or extension.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
What was the risk in not extending him? Where was he going? By the end of last season he hadn't really accomplished anything that warranted a raise or extension.
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It was dumb. Even the media called out Fulmer when it was announced. It was a mistake and people did complain about it. If Fulmer really brings back Pruitt (I’m not convinced he is), then he can deal with the repercussions down the road.
 
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Neyland Law Vol said:
Guys in here keep saying "3-7", but if we had just kept our schedule before COVID beating USCjr, MIZZU, Vandy and then the three OOC scrubs, we would have had 6 wins and a bowl game. Not great but likely not prompting a termination at HC either.

I think this will be part of the University's thinking when they retain CJP.
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But GA State and BYU....

There are no gimme games with Pruitt. What makes anyone assume we would have any game win before being played with this staff?
 
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