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Dooby15 said:


Maybe one of the more under appreciated moments.
BTW, Neyland will always be ready to be electric like it was after that kick. We just need to win and be competitive a little bit.
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Two things!...who the hell was #70 my god what a mountain. Secondly it’s crazy to sit here and think back how big of a deal it was back then for someone nailing a 50+ yard field goal.today with all the new technology and workouts improving your body 50 yards isn’t so difficult now
 
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butchna said:
I think he’d both recruit AND coach it up better than anybody we’ve had since Dickey. Texas has been sobering and that’s interesting considering the relative success he’s had there. He really embraced the Longhorn tradition and culture and prolly took it too far in that aspect. I’d equate him to a Dan Mullen who can recruit at an elite level.
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Interesting choice of word with Herman.

scvolfan7 said:
Herman did a lot of weird stuff at Texas. Pee chart, served burnt toast and nasty food to the losing side of the ball after practice, etc. He also hasn’t done a good job getting the most out of his players.

The more I’ve reflected on Herman, the less interested I am in him coaching here. Butch Jones 2.0

The one thing I still respect about Pruitt is that he’s a good dude and the players like him. Don’t think you could say the same for Herman at texas. Ehlinger threw some shade at him after the IAST game
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Maturity has been a problem for Herman. The "belt" gesturing against Drew Locke, the double bird he flipped at the camera on signing day, almost getting in a fight with Mike Gundy after the 2018 OK St. game, it's been a pattern. Apparently no one likes him. Not the donors, the administration, or the players. Personally, I don't really see it publicly, but that's what everyone connected to the program says about him. Everybody knew Charlie Strong needed to get fired after losing to Kansas, but the players (and most of the administration) absolutely loved the guy. I'd still hire Tom Herman 10 times out of 10 over Charlie Strong, their records speak for themselves, but likeability won't be one of his selling points. When you are Belichick or Saban or Urban you can get away with being a miserable person no one likes personally, but you better be winning big.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Texas was his dream job. It’s where his career started. Wouldn’t really say he bought into the mystique because he saw it at its best. His problem is that he seems like a douche and his players don’t like him. He wouldn’t work out here
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I’m very familiar. No history of this “doucheness” beforehand and this is your personal take. So that’s about the extent of the science here.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Thanks for the take, Bammer. What a horrible take that most are driven by money. Coaches don't work half their careers as assistants with the constant grind simply because of the money. Some don't even make it to the top for money.

Human nature is that people want to succeed at what they do. In football, that means winning games. No one wants to be a failure, especially in a public position. The byproduct of success is being able to make alot of money.
I cringe all the time when I hear comments about coaches having it great when they get fired. Sure, the money doesn't hurt, but life is more than money. Happiness, stability, family happiness, success, praise are all things humans crave for, and when head coaches lose at places like UT, life gets really uncomfortable for the coach and his family. How many jokes has Butch Jones been a part of the last few years? I would venture to guess that he would give up a decent chunk of change to make all of that go away for him and his family. It's just a simpleton view of how this works.

I guess Pruitt was uninterested when he hit the white board during the game, yelled at officials multiple times, and grabbed JG's facemask last year.
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That was a lot of effort to say, "I disagree also".
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
The funny thing is, Bama has nothing that we don't have. The only advantage that bama has over us is that they have slightly more in state talent. But that is changing quickly, and bama isn't GA or something as far as in state talent. We have everything else that they have, which is why we are the second winningest SEC program of all time. The difference right now is that their admin is 100% devoted to winning and did whatever it took to get Saban, and I'm not sure that our admin is there, even with Phil as the AD. There are signs though with him giving Pruitt literally whatever he asked for. We'll see what the coaching search looks like when the Pruitt era is done. Will we be willing to pony up to pay for the hottest name out there or not?
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The difference between Bama and UT is they are. doing what is necessary to win. Period. Bama had a down turn but eventually said enough is enough and made sure they got Saban. They were viewed about like us (a little higher). The only thing stopping us from being a top ten program again is us. Instead of bargain bin hired and hoping they work out, we need to hire a proven head coach and win. But we want to make excuses and act like things will eventually be ok.
 
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Adam2014 said:
For those talking about Herman... Remember when he did this? People can change, but he has a lot of growing up to do.
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The shirt his wife wore after Herman was publicly accused of cheating was immature as well. I didn't use that word then, I thought "stupid and over the top for attention", but "immature" is more appropriate.
 
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RiotVol said:
Who out there has that kind of Saban cred ca. 2007? I'd say it's Urban Meyer and Hugh Freeze. Every other name listed feels like a Mike Shula or a Mike Price, and I'd rather just roll with Pruitt another year if that's the case.
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I don't think either Urban or Freeze has circa 2007 Saban cred. Urban has more cred than that today, Freeze has less cred than that today.

Urban has won multiple titles at 2 different schools. Freeze punched way above his weight at Ole Miss and had many upset victories, but never won any hardware.

Alabama hiring Saban in 2007 was kind of like A&M hiring Jimbo a few years ago. Both schools hired proven, national-title winning coaches, but there was a level of mild skepticism that they could take those programs to where they wanted to go.
 
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Dudley Smith said:
Interesting choice of word with Herman.



Maturity has been a problem for Herman. The "belt" gesturing against Drew Locke, the double bird he flipped at the camera on signing day, almost getting in a fight with Mike Gundy after the 2018 OK St. game, it's been a pattern. Apparently no one likes him. Not the donors, the administration, or the players. Personally, I don't really see it publicly, but that's what everyone connected to the program says about him. Everybody knew Charlie Strong needed to get fired after losing to Kansas, but the players (and most of the administration) absolutely loved the guy. I'd still hire Tom Herman 10 times out of 10 over Charlie Strong, their records speak for themselves, but likeability won't be one of his selling points. When you are Belichick or Saban or Urban you can get away with being a miserable person no one likes personally, but you better be winning big.
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Where’s the history of this behavior before Texas? Someone who can recruit elite players to HOUSTON has to have some likeable qualities. Texas can chew you up and he’s still not a failure there. We’re not talking 4 wins or even 5. His ceiling’s as high as he can rebound from merely winning a majority of his games at a program that gets itchy if you don’t go undefeated. I’m not even stumping for him to land in Knoxville, but if he did we’d be better. On the Belichick thing? Good thing they didn’t have message boards before “the Tuck” happened. 😉
 
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TX needs to realize what we came to realize. The days of dominating every year are gone. The conference coaching has gotten better around it. It’s not your daddy’s Baylor, Iowa St, TCU, OK St anymore. TX HS way of play changed to where everyone running spread. Defensive players studs not as easy to find in waves in the area like before. At least not those that play really physical.
 
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butchna said:
Potatoes tomatoes. Herman bought in too much into the Longhorn mystique. He’s an elite offensive mind and great recruiter. Like Kiffin cept with a successful marriage.
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I used to agree with this, I'm not as sure anymore. It seems like defenses have caught up to the power spread that he favors (Chip Kelly, Butch Jones, Gus Malzahn) and I'm not sure he's got a counter. Definitely would need to get a better O-line coach than Herb Hand, that's been a big part of their leveling off the last couple years, at least against the better defenses.
 
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butchna said:
Source? Something you read on HERE? Losing too many to Oklahoma generates some gossip and here we are in our curlers. 😏
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Go read the Texas boards. Boosters don’t like him and players don’t like him.

When ehlinger was asked if he thought Texas should retain tom Herman, he didn’t back his coach. Instead, he said, “I guess that’s the million dollar question”
 
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Everyone is wanting Freeze/Herman hire...
A lot are saying its going to be a McGoogle hire...
I'm fully expecting a Mark RIcht/Les Miles hire... God help us
 
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05_never_again said:
I don't think either Urban or Freeze has circa 2007 Saban cred. Urban has more cred than that today, Freeze has less cred than that today.

Urban has won multiple titles at 2 different schools. Freeze punched way above his weight at Ole Miss and had many upset victories, but never won any hardware.

Alabama hiring Saban in 2007 was kind of like A&M hiring Jimbo a few years ago. Both schools hired proven, national-title winning coaches, but there was a level of mild skepticism that they could take those programs to where they wanted to go.
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Great comparison. Who's out there like that now?
 
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UTSuave’ said:
Two things!...who the hell was #70 my god what a mountain. Secondly it’s crazy to sit here and think back how big of a deal it was back then for someone nailing a 50+ yard field goal.today with all the new technology and workouts improving your body 50 yards isn’t so difficult now
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One of my favorites from the video is Uncle Vern saying “From the 50!” Gets me every time.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Go read the Texas boards. Boosters don’t like him and players don’t like him.

When ehlinger was asked if he thought Texas should retain tom Herman, he didn’t back his coach. Instead, he said, “I guess that’s the million dollar question”
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Message boards! Checked out Shaggy Bevo when I was on vacation once upon a time. Still haven’t been able to shower enough since. 😷
 
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RiotVol said:
Great comparison. Who's out there like that now?
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If we're talking about coaches at THAT level, you have to start with someone who has won a National Championship.

Meyer and Stoops are the only two besides Gene Chizik.

I guess, technically, Fulmer is available.
 
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RiotVol said:
Who out there has that kind of Saban cred ca. 2007? I'd say it's Urban Meyer and Hugh Freeze. Every other name listed feels like a Mike Shula or a Mike Price, and I'd rather just roll with Pruitt another year if that's the case.
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well, it doesn't have to be a coach necessarily..it could be fulmer. or the next AD that is the guy that makes it happen.

point is, we need a very strong leader that can get that done. fulmer i thought would be that guy, but he is polarizing still to some of the money. so that's gonna be a tougher hill to climb there. and he's still relatively polarizing with fans...though less so 12 years removed from coaching.

i think it's safe to say that the combo of pruitt/fulmer isn't enough to do it, unless Pruitt starts winning in a manner that just coudln't be ignored, and in a manner that you couldn't say "no" to.

tbd on that....

bob stoops, urban meyer and chris pederson could probably pull that kinda swag in here....at least to the point that they likely wouldn't take the job w/out some guarantees on "freedom to operate" and control on the program being in their hands, no one else's....and even then i'm not sure any of the 3 would consider it.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
Last time Florida was a 17.5 pt favorite we won by 2..... it’s Thursday boys. Time to ride the roller coaster up for the good ole 3rd qtr nut kick Saturday!!
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If Bailey beats Florida in his first start, he will be loved forever. I can’t think of a better thing to happen than to beat UF when they are in the running for a playoff spot. I hope they cancel the season then and we finish with a win over UF.
 
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