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Catbone said:
We'll get down by 24 late in 3rd quarter and then let Bailey play. He will go 6-9 passing.
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I think the opposite. He'll start Bailey against his own instinct, we'll be down by 21 at halftime, and he'll use Bailey as the justification for it. JG comes out to start the second half (if he's available).
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I don't believe that. Not at all. For a couple of reasons. First of all, with Lawson he still lost 4 games he should have won in 2015. He let all 4 teams come from behind and beat him when we were up 14 points. That's not good coaching. Then, with the most talented team TN has had since who knows when, he still win 8-4 with losses to crappy SC and Vandy teams. Further, he did not recruit the QB position well. Following Dobbs he had nobody. JG and Dormady were both awful and neither one would have led us to seasons that would have kept him here. As we can see, JG is the primary reason why a 2nd coach is about to be fired during his tenure as starting Qb. Not to mention his 2017 and 2018 recruiting classes were atrocious.
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Maybe, but he also left prior to the 2016 season (Butch's 2nd 9-4 season). So the teams under Lawson were 5-7, 7-6, 9-4 and I think Fitz is the best S&C we've had at UT since Fulmer years.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
You'll find no disagreement from me. I wanted Butch gone after 2016 and was probably his most vocal critic on this board. I do not like the guy at all.

But if the S&C program doesn't fall off the face of the earth, he probably wins 6 games in 2017 and survives. At that point, who knows?, but he was recruiting fine.
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Wouldn’t have made Scott a better OC or the OL blocking scheme better. Way too much slippage not related to strength and conditioning.
 
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VEKZY said:
To be fair, Texas at least tries to get the big names, both Herman and Strong were highly coveted at the time of the hire. They just didn't pan out there.

We get coaches that no other high tier P5 wants and act surprised when they don't work.
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we had Charlie Strong sewn up until he got back L'ville and they countered.

we've offered MIke Gundy twice.....we went after Mullen. we talked to several big names along the way.

so....we do...at least...try.

lol....what we wind up with...that's a different story.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I think the opposite. He'll start Bailey against his own instinct, we'll be down by 21 at halftime, and he'll use Bailey as the justification for it. JG comes out to start the second half (if he's available).
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If we’re only down 21? He gets an extension.
 
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utvols88 said:
Nvm... We lost...

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We keep taking "good week" to mean good in the qualitative sense, but clearly he's just redneck enough to use it in the quantitative sense. As in "He lives a fer piece down the road, probably a good 10 miles or so"...or in Germy's case, "we've had a good 5, maybe even 6, days of practice. I lose count. Numbers is hard and I always get confused. Take QBR...that's like par in golf right? Lower is better?"

I seent the truth. I ain't fooled no more.
 
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Dudley Smith said:
Tom Herman is not coming back at Texas. He has lost the support of every potential power base in the administration, the BMD's, and the players. The guy is supposedly a real jerk and nobody likes him. There was a controversy this summer over the players not wanting to sing The Eyes of Texas after games due to what they perceived to be racist origins of the song, and while it was a tricky situation for a coach, he managed to alienate a lot of the BMD's in the process. After the OU loss this year (the worst OU team since John Blake roamed the sidelines in the 90's), Sam Ehlinger was out on the field with his Hook 'em sign in the air standing all by himself, and Herman was lucky he didn't get fired that weekend. He was given an ultimatum to win the conference or else, and since they lost to ISU on Friday, two team captains have opted out for the rest of the season. Now there are reports of unspecified "illnesses" among players causing them to miss practice, although no confirmed positive Covid cases. He's done.

He's basically Butch Jones in 2016 - returned a ton of talent and a productive senior QB in a league that was ripe for the taking due to other programs being down. He lost to TCU for the 3rd time in 4 games, and OU for the 4th time in 5. He's also now 2-2 against Iowa State. Recruiting has flatlined since August and the #1 player for 2022, a QB people were comparing to Trevor Lawrence has decommitted. Supposedly all of the factions of BMD's are aligned on getting rid of Herman and going after Urban Meyer in a way that they haven't been in living memory. By contrast, when Mack Brown was on the way out, the Dallas donors were spearheading the charge to get Saban hired, supposedly had him on the line, but the Houston faction stepped in and screwed things up with the administration, letting Mack coach through the bowl game and Saban lost interest. Now all the power brokers are pulling in the same direction, at least until Meyer says no, at which point they will probably descend back in to factionalism with their favorite candidates.

I do think Herman would be an improvement over Pruitt, he was over Charlie Strong at Texas, but perhaps only in a way that Butch was an improvement over Dooley. He's got a system and a "culture" he wants to instill, and it pays early dividends, but as the league adjusts to it, he has no counter. He thinks he's got this infallible system, and when it doesn't work, it's the players fault for not executing properly. This cover really sums him up, and "MENSA" has become his derisive nickname.

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He plays every game close, 27 games over the last 4 years decided by one score, and Texas is 14-13 in those games. He doesn't get blown out, but other than cupcakes, he doesn't blow anyone out. So we would likely be respectable against the UGA's, Bama's and UF's of the world, but we'd also be playing down to the wire with Kentucky, Mizzou, and SC every year as well. His teams are highly penalized as well, they've gotten worse every year under him, which is probably why their games are so close against lesser opponents:

In 2017, Texas finished No. 112 nationally in penalty yards per game and 115h in total penalty yardage. The following year, the Horns ranked No. 98 in penalty yards per game, but 116th in total penalty yardage. In 2019, Texas regressed to 120th in penalty yards per game and 119th in total penalty yardage. This year, Herman’s squad ranks 70th out of 77 teams in penalty yards per game.

Texas resorting to punitive measures in effort to reduce penalties

All that having been said, barring Harrison Bailey leading us to an upset of Florida on Saturday, the program may need to make a move just to avoid total implosion, and Herman should be available by this time next week.

Gary Patterson isn't coming, they've built a statue of him outside the stadium, he's recording country music albums, and the fanbase is happy as long as they make it to the Cheezit Bowl and beat Baylor and SMU. He's retiring in Fort Worth.
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I like Patterson, but I'm kind of surprised TCU people remain so enamored with him. I know they aren't a juggernaut, but he's only had 3 good seasons out of 9 as a member of the Big 12.

I get that he's the reason they are even in the Big 12 to begin with; I just figured the sheen would have come off of him more than it has.
 
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HankHill said:
Morning buddy. Positive thoughts this morning.
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Good morning Hank..

I really wanna be positive, but then I remember every stinking detail of the last 15 years, so I have decided that I will not get nut-punched anymore as a Vol fan..

I know they are coming, so my cup will stay firmly in place for the rest of my life.

I will always expect the worst, and hope for the best, I just will not hold out too much hope. I scoffed at ol LWS years ago when he said we were never going to be good again. I did not believe him then, but I do now.

Even if we get a good coach at some point to turn it around, somebody will come along and take him away.

The abundance of evidence shows we are done as a big time college program.

That's just the way it is..😢
 
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Ten_Titans said:
He better mean every snap on offense and an undecided number of snaps on defense and special teams.
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I think he’s just being coy. Coachspeak not wanting to reveal HB is the starter. As if that’ll throw UF off.

As jaded as I am, I sincerely doubt we see JG take another snap this year.
 
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jordan4vols said:
Not playing Vandy is terrible for JP in my opinion. Finishing year with 7 straight pummelings can’t be sold for any excitement
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Think of it in an Edisonian sense. With each passing day, he's learning more ways it doesn't work. Seven straight crushing losses? Great. Only 9993 more to go!!
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Facts TCU, SMU, Houston, Texas, Texas Tech, OU, OK State, LSU, Arkansas, TCU, etc. so many places milking the same cow.

I think if I'm Urban and my ultimate goal is to set myself up to win championships USC is the dream spot. Pac-12 without much competition and the entire state of California to dominate in recruiting with no other nearby established programs to compete with. Should be an easy ass path to the CFP every season.
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My family is originally from Texas. There is a pecking order. The University of Texas, for the most part, will get who they want. There are some exceptions with maybe OU or someone like Bama or LSU.

The problem I see from afar the last 15 years has been them taking the wrong players. Texas has taken mediocre QB’s while other elite talent has gone elsewhere. It just takes the correct coach to evaluate and develop the correct talent.

Generally, over a period of time, Texas should consistently beat every school in the Big 12 except OU.
 
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SSVol said:
He might be, but I'm not sure he's wrong here. He didn't say that was a good thing, only that is is likely true, which I'd have to agree. 7 to 9 wins every year...AD pays the man $10M a year with no mitigation! Cause Tennessee.
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I don't see any way that the intern wins 7-9 without Dobbs at QB. There's a reason why he's still an intern at bama guys, and it isn't just because he wants to collect a check from us. He's a horrible HC and everyone knows it.
 
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05_never_again said:
I like Patterson, but I'm kind of surprised TCU people remain so enamored with him. I know they aren't a juggernaut, but he's only had 3 good seasons out of 9 as a member of the Big 12.

I get that he's the reason they are even in the Big 12 to begin with; I just figured the sheen would have come off of him more than it has.
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Probably because that program is historically terrible. They were great in the 1930's with Slinging Sammy Baugh and Davey O'Brien, and then 60 years of nothing with the bright spots of Bob Lilly and Ladanian Tomlinson until Patterson came along. It's a smaller private school, and a bunch of their student population come from California, the tailgates are more important to them than the games or their outcomes.
 
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