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volfanhill said:
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Effectiveness of Face Masks in Preventing Airborne Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 - PubMed
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The Kansas article seems to say the same thing as the Denmark article. It's in the noise of the controlled variables. Those ordering mask mandates likely have other precautions, but also higher population densities.

This article I think looks like a legit study. However it shows only a minor decrease for cotton to cotton. And if minor differences to viral load are a secondary impact relative to other hygiene behaviors or immunities, then I don't see the benefit. And this is backed by the way more loosely controlled population studies.

So it appears to me that masks are way overstated, perhaps dangerously so since folks believe to think they are protected with them.
 
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Weezy said:
The Kansas article seems to say the same thing as the Denmark article. It's in the noise of the controlled variables. Those ordering mask mandates likely have other precautions, but also higher population densities.

This article I think looks like a legit study. However it shows only a minor decrease for cotton to cotton. And if minor differences to viral load are a secondary impact relative to other hygiene behaviors or immunities, then I don't see the benefit. And this is backed by the way more loosely controlled population studies.

So it appears to me that masks are way overstated, perhaps dangerously so since folks believe to think they are protected with them.
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They give a false sense of security. I cant help but laugh when I see 2 people engage in extended conversation while standing right next to each other with some cotton on their faces.

100 years from now historians will laugh as well, at the stupidity we exhibited in thinking these masks do anything.
 
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n_huffhines said:
OK, it's a fair point that the trend change could be coincidental, but contrasting it with non mask mandate trends within Kansas in the 2020 covid pandemic is probably more valid than the Spanish flu. That's also mortality, not cases
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It's certainly an interesting data point on the switch. But as noted there could be any number of reasons for it. Causation vs correlation.

I would think any virus is going to have some averaged ratio of cases to hospitalization to deaths. So I think you can look at one set of information and infer some of the rest.

As one of our VN MDs pointed out this thing acts like a virus. So while I agree apples to apples isnt going to directly answer questions, comparing it to the last great virus seems fair gives up a comparison. Data without reference is almost meaningless. It's how the media how been able to drive the fear. They give us numbers with no reference but tell us it's bad. I am certainly no virologist but I want to have some reference so I can draw my own opinions and I wants others to be informed as well.

Or else it's all like the hopefully attached meme.
 

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Vol Main said:
You seem to think that trends move in straight lines. Dropping one is hardly a reversal, because trends usually move in waves, and they are not limited in time to one month. One point might be a very minor pullback in a continuing uptrend. Seriously.
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Why do you think I think that? I said nothing that suggests that and I said something that suggests otherwise.
 
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GSD82 said:
He just read the headline and posted hoping no one would actually read it
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Or maybe, you guys think I thought the article was anything other than what it was. I assigned no interpretation and you guys are acting like I think this is proof of something. It's just a study about a current, politicized event, and it should be noted, hence my sharing it here. Yes, it has flaws, just like every other study that exists. Because it's not proof of anything, you guys think I don't understand it. It's not supposed to be proof. Nobody who understands science would suggest that it is. When you guys erroneously mock the post, you're just revealing that you don't understand the way studies are supposed to be received.

Before you post something like this, stop and think for a second if you understand what's going on instead of jumping the gun and suggesting other people are the ones not getting it. Learn from your mistakes, bro. You make a fool of yourself so often, you had to change your identity. But we all know you're volfanjussie because you only ever fool yourself.
 
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LouderVol said:
It's certainly an interesting data point on the switch. But as noted there could be any number of reasons for it. Causation vs correlation.

I would think any virus is going to have some averaged ratio of cases to hospitalization to deaths. So I think you can look at one set of information and infer some of the rest.

As one of our VN MDs pointed out this thing acts like a virus. So while I agree apples to apples isnt going to directly answer questions, comparing it to the last great virus seems fair gives up a comparison. Data without reference is almost meaningless. It's how the media how been able to drive the fear. They give us numbers with no reference but tell us it's bad. I am certainly no virologist but I want to have some reference so I can draw my own opinions and I wants others to be informed as well.

Or else it's all like the hopefully attached meme.
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I'm just going to respond here to you about it (because you are one of the few who actually cares about what's real and not what they want to hear) but it's more for everybody....rates increased significantly after the mask mandate, and I'm not sure anybody here understood that part of the study since nobody posted about it. In June we were looking at 3-4 cases per 100k and now it's like 96 per 100k. So the trend was growing fast by July, then the direction changed by August and went slightly down, but it then exploded since. The virus was too much for the mandate, but the steep climb, then little dip, then steep climb needs to be considered. All of it raises a lot of questions.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Or maybe, you guys think I thought the article was anything other than what it was. I assigned no interpretation and you guys are acting like I think this is proof of something. It's just a study about a current, politicized event, and it should be noted, hence my sharing it here. Yes, it has flaws, just like every other study that exists. Because it's not proof of anything, you guys think I don't understand it. It's not supposed to be proof. Nobody who understands science would suggest that it is. When you guys erroneously mock the post, you're just revealing that you don't understand the way studies are supposed to be received.

Before you post something like this, stop and think for a second if you understand what's going on instead of jumping the gun and suggesting other people are the ones not getting it. Learn from your mistakes, bro. You make a fool of yourself so often, you had to change your identity. But we all know you're volfanjussie because you only ever fool yourself.
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Mr Hernandez you play a libertarian but at your core you are a liberal democrat. You enjoy the government telling you that you have to wear a mask. You enjoy the government forcing businesses to close and never reopen. Your guy won so you should be very excited about the long dark winter. You don’t have a clue what happened but I assure you I will never change from calling you radical leftists out
 
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GSD82 said:
Mr Hernandez you play a libertarian but at your core you are a liberal democrat. You enjoy the government telling you that you have to wear a mask. You enjoy the government forcing businesses to close and never reopen. Your guy won so you should be very excited about the long dark winter. You don’t have a clue what happened but I assure you I will never change from calling you radical leftists out
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Think about the fact that all you have to attack me with are lies, and then ponder how pathetic that is, then go change your identity and try again.
 
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allvol123 said:
They give a false sense of security. I cant help but laugh when I see 2 people engage in extended conversation while standing right next to each other with some cotton on their faces.

100 years from now historians will laugh as well, at the stupidity we exhibited in thinking these masks do anything.
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If you want to watch something funny , you go with me and NGV inside a store that requires me to be in it for more than 20 mins . I’ll bet I push , pull out/ down , tug at , rearrange , huff / puff / play with or just get tied of it an pull it down to my chin at least 50 times . I’m positive there are 10 year old that do better with the mask than I do . Oh and if I’m talking to someone and my glasses are fogging up every time I say a word .. I’m basically a ticking time bomb on the inside and can lose it at any second . 😂
 
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Vol Main said:
From memory, you cited a one point drop as a reversal. If you cannot understand, then maybe I should not post with you. Not trying to be a jerk,
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How on earth does pointing out that there was a drop imply I think "trends move in straight lines"? My post implies the opposite since I am the one pointing out that it changed directions. Aside from that, "straight" is not even a part of the conversation. These are curves we're working with. I think you meant to say "one direction" not "straight" but I was working off that assumption.

You may be the one in over your head here.
 
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n_huffhines said:
How on earth does pointing out that there was a drop imply I think "trends move in straight lines"? My post implies the opposite since I am the one pointing out that it changed directions. Aside from that, "straight" is not even a part of the conversation. I think you meant to say "one direction" not "straight" but I was working off that assumption.

You may be the one in over your head here.
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Didn't you use the word reversal? That word has a specific meaning in discussing data which you so not seem to appreciate. If you will look at this chart, you can see that the upward trend has pullbacks far larger than one point, yet the trend is UP. There is no reversal because of the drops back to the trendline.
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Vol Main said:
Didn't you use the word reversal? That word has a specific meaning in discussing data which you so not seem to appreciate. If you will look at this chart, you can see that the upward trend has pullbacks far larger than one point, yet the trend is UP. There is no reversal because of the drops back to the trendline.
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^ all of this makes sense but no idea what it has to do with your first response. In no way have I said they only move in straight lines. Maybe i used "trend reversal" incorrectly, semantically speaking, I should have said "dip", but that's not the same thing as saying "trends move in straight lines"
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm just going to respond here to you about it (because you are one of the few who actually cares about what's real and not what they want to hear) but it's more for everybody....rates increased significantly after the mask mandate, and I'm not sure anybody here understood that part of the study since nobody posted about it. In June we were looking at 3-4 cases per 100k and now it's like 96 per 100k. So the trend was growing fast by July, then the direction changed by August and went slightly down, but it then exploded since. The virus was too much for the mandate, but the steep climb, then little dip, then steep climb needs to be considered. All of it raises a lot of questions.
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It does, but again I think you, people, need a general understanding of the bigger picture because the message gets pushed by agendas.

Any one data point can look really good or really bad with how you frame it. And if you want an honest understanding more info is helpful.
 
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LouderVol said:
It does, but again I think you, people, need a general understanding of the bigger picture because the message gets pushed by agendas.

Any one data point can look really good or really bad with how you frame it. And if you want an honest understanding more info is helpful.
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Clearly
 
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VolnJC said:
Van Morrison and Eric Clapton now public enemies numbers 1 and 2 on Canceled Culture List
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For some reason I thought Eric Clapton died earlier this year. After looking it up I was amazed that his child died almost 30 years ago after falling out the window of his apartment, that seemed like yesterday.
 
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