2020 Presidential Race

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VolStrom said:
I witnessed the decline of my company from a long term member of the DOW to being split and decimated into a shadow of itself. They used to value employees, now they just want to hire cheap and bring back seasoned employees when times get hard. They stopped investing money into the business at the expense of long term survival. They solely exist today because people before me and my generation were taught to make stuff like an anvil. Now they buy cheap junk and pay for it 5 years down the road. Until someone realizes what China is doing like Trump did, our economy is doomed.
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Sounds like you are describing GE, but there are plenty of other companies just like it.

One of our biggest failings was keeping unions in check. Had they been broken up and made to follow the same antitrust rules as corporations, we perhaps could have managed to keep US wages lower. When you have the world's highest wages and supposedly standard of living and then open the free trade gates, all hell is going to break loose in the workforce - and not in a good way. Corporate leaders get a share of the blame and unions, too; but it all goes back to government mismanagement - favoring unions for votes, unreasonably taxing corporations, redistributing incomes, and the perpetual increasing minimum wage BS.
 
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Orangeburst said:
You guys spent 4 years so not sure there is ANY faith in the system, so we will take several weeks . We will see what they have to say. If not overwhelming fraud we move on.
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You don't have several weeks. It's basically over. Pennsylvania, Michigan and Georgia have already certified their results showing Biden as the winner. Arizona and Wisconsin are the only two contested states which haven't certified their results yet. Biden doesn't need to win either one of them. He has over 270 electoral votes without them.
 
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OHvol40 said:
That’s an awfully wordy way to say: Trump lost the election but I have pie-in-the sky hopes that republicans will try and overturn it in an unprecedented way without evidence.

Good luck.
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It's better than saying, simultaneously:

"It's over. You're dreaming. This State Legislature trial use useless and pointless. I also don't know what comes next, so wouldn't know whether it's pointless at all."

And to be clear, I just posted that I have no idea whether they'll have faithless electors, so your pithy reply is stupid.

You're also the one who commented on the public hearing being pointless, so your pithy reply about it being without evidence is a bit self-refuting as well.

But you have a nice day, though.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You don't have several weeks. It's basically over. Pennsylvania, Michigan and Georgia have already certified their results showing Biden as the winner. Arizona and Wisconsin are the only two contested states which haven't certified their results yet. Biden doesn't need to win either one of them. He has over 270 electoral votes without them.
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Regardless, we need to insure integrity in the process for this whole thing to work not just now but in the future. If nothing to hide, then you should have no worries and we we move on.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I honestly didn't know what the next step is. This article indicates that PA's process does not go back to the legislature after certification. Instead the Secretary of State certifies and the Governor sends a "Certificate of Ascertainment" to the National Archives (both of which have already happened). It doesn't mention any further action by the legislature. Take it for what you will. Pa. election certification: What we know as deadline hits
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All you did was admit that the election isn't yet fully certified. (As mentioned, PA state judge just halted any other certification activities, BTW.)

The question is, what is the next step after the election is certified? After the election is certified, state legislature appoints electors. By state law, the electors do not have to vote for the popular vote of the state.

A poster commented on the public hearings being pointless. I merely answered that that may not be the case. The Rs may in fact be trying to build public support and political capital to ignore contested election results.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
All you did was admit that the election isn't yet fully certified. (As mentioned, PA state judge just halted any other certification activities, BTW.)

The question is, what is the next step after the election is certified? After the election is certified, state legislature appoints electors. By state law, the electors do not have to vote for the popular vote of the state.

A poster commented on the public hearings being pointless. I merely answered that that may not be the case. The Rs may in fact be trying to build public support and political capital to ignore contested election results.
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Wolfe has already chosen the electors.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
All you did was admit that the election isn't yet fully certified. (As mentioned, PA state judge just halted any other certification activities, BTW.)

The question is, what is the next step after the election is certified? After the election is certified, state legislature appoints electors. By state law, the electors do not have to vote for the popular vote of the state.

A poster commented on the public hearings being pointless. I merely answered that that may not be the case. The Rs may in fact be trying to build public support and political capital to ignore contested election results.
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I didn't admit anything and I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm simply looking for clarification. I stated that the article I posted does not mention that the PA legislature has a further role in certifying the results, so certification may be completed. The legislatures are empowered to determine how the electoral votes are decided, but I'm not sure the legislature has to certify the electors after they are chosen.

This article leaves me with the same impression. Pa. Commonwealth Court orders halt to certification process in down ballot races

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The state certified the results in the race for president on Tuesday, giving its 20 electoral votes to Democrat Joe Biden and his running mate, California Sen. Kamala Harris. The court order said the state is prohibited from acting “to the extent that there remains any further action to perfect the certification of the results" of the races for president and vice president.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
We have to win Ga. I never would have thought someone as radical as Warnock could even have a chance, but that is how far gone the left now is. And they'll cheat for sure. Abrams already saying she's got 750k ballots ready. I'm sure those are legit..
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Depending on GA to do the right thing now is pretty hopeless. There's a very good chance that GA (thanks to the cancer called Atlanta) will lose the senate majority for the GOP. If both GA positions go to the dems, then for all practical purposes so does the majority since Harris is the tie breaker. The governor in exile will do her best to throw the election.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Wow



If the rejection rate for mail in ballots was just the same as it always it, this is what happens. Wonder why the rejection rate was virtually 0?
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This doesn't even make any sense. The majority of states haven't even reported their final mail-in ballot rejection numbers and won't until December. The vast majority of mail-in rejections from previous elections have been from ballots that were received after the deadline. Ballots returned after the deadline are not reflected in Biden's winning numbers. In the final tally, there will definitely be more ballots rejected, but those ballots are not currently being counted anyway. How are states supposed to report that they've rejected ballots that they haven't even received yet?
 
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AM64 said:
Depending on GA to do the right thing now is pretty hopeless. There's a very good chance that GA (thanks to the cancer called Atlanta) will lose the senate majority for the GOP. If both GA positions go to the dems, then for all practical purposes so does the majority since Harris is the tie breaker. The governor in exile will do her best to throw the election.
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If that happens you could also thank Trump for sewing doubt and apathy in the election process for his supporters on his way out. You could think of it as one last parting gift that serves a lone purpose, making him feel better about losing.
 
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utvolpj said:
Oh so tax cuts are paired with spending cuts? This happens in the US?

You're still avoiding the question. The data is out there

What do revenues do in response to a tax cut?
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The left struggle with that question because they don't understand what taxes are to the economy. If you could ever get through their thick skulls that taxes to an economy are what friction is to a mechanical process, then perhaps they could figure out what tax cuts do. But when you are dealing with people who believe in unicorns and perpetual motion, there's not even much chance of explaining how friction works. It's even so easy considering the words - releasing the brakes (a friction device to slow a car) and tax breaks to stimulate an economy.
 
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OHvol40 said:
If that happens you could also thank Trump for sewing doubt and apathy in the election process for his supporters on his way out. You could think of it as one last parting gift that serves a lone purpose, making him feel better about losing.
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No, I'll credit that to a huge influx of damn yankees to Atlanta and to some questionable electing processes.
 
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