2-8 is Pruitt gone?

2-8 is Pruitt gone?

  • Pruitt is fired if he goes 2-8

    Votes: 240 38.5%

  • Pruitt survives if he goes 2-8

    Votes: 384 61.5%
  • Total voters
    624
#76
#76
If Pruitt relies on JG who is middle of the road at best, and does not develop a winning quarterback then he should go due to incompetence. Develop the younger guys and get them ready.
 
#78
#78
BeardedVol said:
I was not involved in the decision to fire Fulmer, but I don't think it was a poor decision to fire him.

I believe it was a poor decision to fire him and hire Kiffin instead of Gary Patterson
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And oddly enough, Hamilton had convinced Brian Kelly to take the job. In an interview with Kelly, he said he had told his wife they were moving to Tennessee. Then hammy calls him the next morning and tells him he's hired kiffin instead. I think kiffin would've done well had he stayed, but his exit was not a good display.
 
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#79
#79
RDU VOL#14 said:
Let me preface this by saying that I am not a big fan of firing a coach after 3 years. I’m just not . I don’t think that is enough time to give a coach to build his program even though we live in a time where Willie Taggert only got a year and a half. That said, I think we need to have a plan in place if USCjr is in a position to hire Freeze. I’m ok with Freeze going to just about any other program in the country other than South Carolina. I don’t think this can be allowed to happen. If that happened we would be in a world of trouble given the landscape of our division. Florida is looking like a CFP team w/ a Heisman trophy QB, UGA is still recruiting lights out and pumping out double digit win seasons, Kentucky is solid and just beat our ass with Stoops. If you add Freeze to the group you have 4 head coaches who have either won a CFP game, NY6 game and a New Year’s Day game over a traditional power. I think there needs to be some back channel conversations taking place given what we’ve heard on Freeze’s thoughts on the UT job.

If we continue to go down the path we’re going I don’t think we can afford to watch even mediocre schools like USCjr and UK surpass us. It certainly has that feel and that is something that I hate to say.
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In terms of performance on the field, South Carolina actually has already passed us. Getting Freeze would just cement it. Since 2008, they are 7-6 against us. Their overall record (92-63) and SEC record (49-47) are far, far better than ours (75-75, 33-63) and have a more recent Eastern Division title.

I remember doing come calcs the other day and the only SEC programs that have worse conference records than we do since 2008 are Arkansas, Kentucky, and Vandy. None were worse by any significant margin; in fact, I think we only have 2 or 3 more conference wins than Kentucky and Vandy do. We're basically Vanderbilt but with some history, nice facilities, and a big 102,000-seat stadium.
 
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#81
#81
I never thought Pruitt should have been hired. When he showed total disrespect to the players, I knew he should not have been hired. But, now that he's here unless we have a REAL coach willing to come, might as well stick it out. Butch would not have done worse than Pruitt, probably better. Tennessee would have saved a ton of money.
We need a football version of Bruce Pearl, but then the Athletic Department would let him float down the river with no life vest.
 
#82
#82
If Fulmer didn't extend his contract through the end of 2025, perhaps.

As is I'm guessing he's our coach through 2022 no matter what.
 
#83
#83
In a normal year, possibly. He’s not getting fired the same year he gets an extension. Then again, that would totally be the Tennessee thing to do
 
#84
#84
swampfoxfan said:
I never thought Pruitt should have been hired. When he showed total disrespect to the players, I knew he should not have been hired. But, now that he's here unless we have a REAL coach willing to come, might as well stick it out. Butch would not have done worse than Pruitt, probably better. Tennessee would have saved a ton of money.
We need a football version of Bruce Pearl, but then the Athletic Department would let him float down the river with no life vest.
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The cost of fan apathy (i.e., lost revenue) if Butch was retained after 2017 was far greater than Butch's buyout. You had to let him go at that point, even if you didn't have a surefire better replacement.
 
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#85
Coach Fulmer is VFL. I’ve seen AD Fulmer make some tough decisions for UT. He fired friend Holly, and yes, some highly recruited players left, and he paid big bucks to keep Barnes. He could actually benefit his own legacy by fixing the mistake he made in choosing a man with no football Head Coaching experience. I’m sure Fulmer does not want to fire a Coach after three years, but in this case, it’s warranted for the good of UT, better now than later. For the school, for the once proud football program, for the people who love the University of Tennessee, fix the mistake, Coach/AD Fulmer.
 
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#87
#87
If he goes 2-8, he should be fired..

However, I'm afraid Tennessee will continue being Tennessee and will manufacture some excuse(s) for waiting, thereby prolonging the inevitable and doing even more damage to the program.......
 
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#88
05_never_again said:
In terms of performance on the field, South Carolina actually has already passed us. Getting Freeze would just cement it. Since 2008, they are 7-6 against us. Their overall record (92-63) and SEC record (49-47) are far, far better than ours (75-75, 33-63) and have a more recent Eastern Division title.

I remember doing come calcs the other day and the only SEC programs that have worse conference records than we do since 2008 are Arkansas, Kentucky, and Vandy. None were worse by any significant margin; in fact, I think we only have 2 or 3 more conference wins than Kentucky and Vandy do. We're basically Vanderbilt but with some history, nice facilities, and a big 102,000-seat stadium.
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I can’t argue with those facts, but I do think we have a higher ceiling and I think our ability to reach it is quicker than South Carolina’s. I also think that we’ve been in the dark ages of Tennessee football since 08 and it coincided with their all-time high of winning the division .
 
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#89
swampfoxfan said:
I never thought Pruitt should have been hired. When he showed total disrespect to the players, I knew he should not have been hired. But, now that he's here unless we have a REAL coach willing to come, might as well stick it out. Butch would not have done worse than Pruitt, probably better. Tennessee would have saved a ton of money.
We need a football version of Bruce Pearl, but then the Athletic Department would let him float down the river with no life vest.
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What did he do exactly and when did he do this?

I hope you have something better than he stayed on at bama to coach his guys in the NC game...
 
#90
#90
Pruitt isn’t getting fired regardless of what happens this year. The earliest he could potentially be fired is the end of next year imo.
 
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#91
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't know what you guys are seeing to point to the 2021 class as justification to keep Pruitt. 2021 class is not going to be as good as 2020 class. It may not even finish top 20 once other teams finish theirs' out. The 2022 in-state talent is huge and it would be much more detrimental to the long-term health of the program to switch coaches at the end of next season and burn the 2022 class versus risking blowing up this class. Depending on what happens with Weinke, we may lose Salter even if we keep Pruitt for 2021, which means kiss any chance at Simpson goodbye. Best move UTAD could make is to rip the band aid off and let a new staff start mending and building relationships with 2022 class ASAP.
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We need to get Freeze in here to take advantage of instate 2022 class and develop them. We have got to replace Foolmer and Pruitt now.
 
#92
#92
Wolfeman_Vol said:
And oddly enough, Hamilton had convinced Brian Kelly to take the job. In an interview with Kelly, he said he had told his wife they were moving to Tennessee. Then hammy calls him the next morning and tells him he's hired kiffin instead. I think kiffin would've done well had he stayed, but his exit was not a good display.
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I don't think Kiffin would have done "well" anywhere at the time, he was just too immature to handle being HC.

If Hamilton was dead set on hiring him, the buyout on his contract should have made it cost-prohibitive for another school to poach him, and Hamilton utterly failed to do just that.
 
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#93
#93
I believe he will get a pass for this year. Next season will decide Pruitt's fate.
 
#95
#95
I voted he'll be back, but one thing that could help us is I don't think JP would be like Butch. I think he'd be someone's DC next year. Now, I'm sure he'd take a lower salary than he could get, but even at 500K a year that would relieve some of the buyout.
 
#96
#96
If (when) we lose to Auburn, the next day will be the same as the day before. Same team, same coaches, same extension, same prospects for the future.
 
#97
#97
m1al said:
What did he do exactly and when did he do this?

I hope you have something better than he stayed on at bama to coach his guys in the NC game...
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Did not bother me one tiny bit that he coached in the NC game, in fact thought it gave great exposure to our program. What got me was him pulling a Dooley and talking about the how bad the players were. Maybe they were not the standard of bama, but they were wearing orange and earning his salary. He had no reason to belittle them, other than to give excuse for losing.
 
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#98
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05_never_again said:
The cost of fan apathy (i.e., lost revenue) if Butch was retained after 2017 was far greater than Butch's buyout. You had to let him go at that point, even if you didn't have a surefire better replacement.
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I actually did consider that, but, give it another year and look for a quality replacement . You have to remember there were a lot of injured starters.
 
#99
#99
RDU VOL#14 said:
I can’t argue with those facts, but I do think we have a higher ceiling and I think our ability to reach it is quicker than South Carolina’s. I also think that we’ve been in the dark ages of Tennessee football since 08 and it coincided with their all-time high of winning the division .
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Oh definitely, and Tennessee will have a ceiling higher than Carolina's as long as they bring in more money, are able to dedicate more resources to it, etc. South Carolina does not have the brand or resources that Tennessee does and they have to compete with the same teams that we do, plus Clemson. But the sad fact is that despite all of that, they've out-competed us for at least the last decade.
 
#100
#100
Pruitt keeps his job for another year but there will be required changes and staff restructuring requirements especially on the offensive side. He would have to refuse to make the stipulated changes before Fulmer would consider firing him and even then; it’s 50/50.
 
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