2020 Presidential Race

[utvolpj]

Maybe the point regarding college loans should be the ridiculous cost of attending college. I don’t think it makes much sense to complain about “fairness” when one attended college 20 or 30 years ago.

Decouple the govt from the loans and even allow them to be discharged in bankruptcy. Bet those applications get a little more scrutiny

 

[OldVolMan]

It’s easy to push because he knows it’s DOA. Then he can claim hey I tried but the evil GOP Congress blocked me. Expect to see more of this before the 25th is invoked.

Had not thought of that, good point.

 

[1972 Grad]

Yep. Lefties like it or not but GA has some major egg on its face in how they conducted this election.

It's the state that gave us Jimmy Carter and Vince Dooley, who gave us Derek Dooley.

 

[utvolpj]

That single error alone is about 10x larger than we’ve seen in other recounts in the past. 2000 FLA was only what 500?

And we also have two 2000+ vote counts not being counted. Granted those were votes for both candidates and on the surface don’t appear nefarious but I’d guess GA being the “gold standard” on conducting elections is probably no longer a valid proclamation

Ironic that gold standard is now Florida

 

[Orangeslice13]

I’ll tell you one thing, these people better hope they’re right. The backlash they should rightfully get for being wrong will be career-ruining. And this goes for everybody from Trump on down to local election hacks.

they’re making some bold claims so if they’re wrong I don’t think it will be forgotten. I still think there as things that need answered. I’m fine if the irregularities can be explained. I’m not ok with no answers.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I thought we both agreed that unnamed sources aren’t really all that reliable?

I haven't looked into sourcing at all. I was asking what your point was.

 

[Grand Vol]

Not sure, but I find it kind of funny, looking back at how no one gave a damn about racking up air miles on the govt dime, back in the day.

edit... OK. had to look it up. Yes, funny!

So, can you talk to your buttface friends who are Biden supporters and see if they'd start joking on his gaffs and many controversies as well?

 

[Orangeslice13]

Ironic that gold standard is now Florida

Florida managed to learn from their errors and get their crap together. Everyone else should too.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Decouple the govt from the loans and even allow them to be discharged in bankruptcy. Bet those applications get a little more scrutiny

The best of intentions and what not. Gov needs to stay the hell out of people’s finances all together. Student house and whatever else.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ironic that gold standard is now Florida

 

[Stew Cook]

So, can you talk to your buttface friends who are Biden supporters and see if they'd start joking on his gaffs and many controversies as well?

I'd say give it another month, and that will be more likely. In the meantime, I'll entertain the thought that they are potentially funny.

it's a start

 

[GSD82]

Coming from the party of "we need to unite"

 

[Grand Vol]

I'd say give it another month, and that will be more likely. In the meantime, I'll entertain the thought that the are potentially funny.

it's a start

Yeah, well, you're different since you're reasonable to an extent.

Try joking with anyone else on the left

 

[Stew Cook]

Yeah, well, you're different since you're reasonable to an extent.

Try joking with anyone else on the left

kind of a narrow field we're talking about, but levity seems to pop-up occasionally.

would be nice to see more of that, but not holding my breath

 

[vol66]

So? You think forgiving this debt will make the costs go down? Hell they were rewarded for their BS inflation if it’s forgiven! These people were adults they need to act like adults abd handle their debt.

As a parent of a kid heading in that direction, I would rather take out a second mortgage than let him get saddled up with student loan debt.

My point is, every year or two, college tuition continues to climb and wages stay relatively stagnant. So you force people to do something they would otherwise never do...just to help the kid get started out on the right foot. In 1970, you could work part time and put yourself through school, that’s not really possible anymore.

 

[OldVolMan]

I’ll tell you one thing, these people better hope they’re right. The backlash they should rightfully get for being wrong will be career-ruining. And this goes for everybody from Trump on down to local election hacks.

Serious question, just curious.
Would you agree that just if they are right, the backlash from the other side will be career ruining from Biden down and everyone involved?

 

[1972 Grad]

kind of a narrow field we're talking about, but levity seems to pop-up occasionally.

would be nice to see more of that, but not holding my breath

We wouldn't mind if you did for about 5 minutes.

 

[VolnJC]

A deposit. Lol.

Rule of thumb...never give a Democrat all the money up front

 

[Grand Vol]

Rule of thumb...never give a Democrat all the money up front

 

[lostsheep]

Yep. Lefties like it or not but GA has some major egg on its face in how they conducted this election.

Hmm...seems like the rantings of one that is upset the state is now blue...maybe you're just being a sore...

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Please. Trump had just as much to do with the vaccine as you and I did. I read freaking Dolly Parton funded the other one.

 

[MG1968]

Please. Trump had just as much to do with the vaccine as you and I did. I read freaking Dolly Parton funded the other one.

If you can blame him for the bad you can give him credit for the good.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Xavier Becerra, possible Biden AG pick, once said illegal immigration should be decriminalized

 

[Stew Cook]

We wouldn't mind if you did for about 5 minutes.

You coming at me, bro?

j/k

just because you and GV finally got your old man mercy Xanax, doesn't mean I did too.. yet

One thing I know for sure, is that too much time on here is not good for anyone. I think everyone can attest to that.

If I still have my sanity in a few weeks, and I'm still around, I'll show up in the OT forums more often.

 

[NorthDallas40]

As a parent of a kid heading in that direction, I would rather take out a second mortgage than let him get saddled up with student loan debt.

My point is, every year or two, college tuition continues to climb and wages stay relatively stagnant. So you force people to do something they would otherwise never do...just to help the kid get started out on the right foot. In 1970, you could work part time and put yourself through school, that’s not really possible anymore.

PJ proposed a workable solution I agree with. Just do away with Fed garanteed loans going forward then but to insert themselves now after so many have paid off their loans is complete BS.

Your point about taking out alternative loans instead of fed guaranteed student loans makes sense. But life isn’t fair and for the gov to wrongly elevate some kids who made poor choices completely disenfranchises the kids that agreed to the loan terms. Either leave it alone or twilight the program while holding the loan takers accountable makes sense to me.