Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[LA Vol]

And Pruitt didn't take a pay cut either, correct?

I know he deferred his raise - but that's not the same thing.

Pruitt wasn't asked to take a pay cut since he didn't accept a raise this year. I feel sure he would've done so without hesitation. He and Fulmer were in accord on this.

 

[JAllen18]

It was only partially about money, because really, those contributions are a small drop in a $40MM bucket. It was about standing together and making a unified effort to help the university. People were only asked to take a short-term cut. They were told that UT was looking for full unity, which would have sent a strong message. Most were immediately responsive.

Both of our football coordinators refused... and refused. It says something about commitment when two of the highest-paid coordinators in college football-- and the two highest paid assistants on Pruitt's staff-- won't agree to an eight-month reduction to support an All Together effort. It's difficult to build a unified program with that sort of "leadership."

Really bad look for outsiders looking at UT Football. We are already being hit with negative recruiting from other schools, this just adds fuel to the fire.

 

[volinbama256]

Welp recruiting is toast

Why??? ATL Vol swooped in and started talking about pulling rabbits and stars aligning.......... but yes I agree with you that recruiting is toast, and has been toast. Anyone that thinks otherwise knows something we don't...

 

[KPT_VFL]

Pruitt wasn't asked to take a pay cut since he didn't accept a raise this year. I feel sure he would've done so without hesitation. He and Fulmer were in accord on this.

Dang it how can I like and hate Pruitt all at the same time....

 

[OrangenSC]

it's about framing a narrative that will get clicks and attention.

if it was real news and noteworthy, this would have been reported on when it was done....around the same time the news came out about pruitt not taking the $400k raise, and fulmer taking his pay cut....if this informaitn was so easily obtained, why bother seeking it out now vs. then? hmm....

this is hit piece meant to pile on on what is already a not so great situation....

and keep in mind, i don't even disagree that it's an awful look, and that a couple of the guys on that list, well, this doesn't help their cause if they want to stay here and coach..........and for a guy like Friend and Chaney in particular, yeah, they could come off a couple bucks....

but really, do we need to know this pc of informaiton to already kinda know that their futures are in jeopardy somewhat?

no. so it's got nothing to do with reporting "news". it wasn't news when it happened....no one bothered to even find out back then. but now...let's pour some gas on this thing and get it going....this will fire up the natives!!

meh.

I find it interesting that just a couple of months ago these same media guys were somewhere between not worth listening to and incompetent hacks who bring no info and just want to criticize the team for attention.

And now many fans are hanging on every word they say and treating them like heroes.

 

[SSVol]

I mean I get it not being good look bu not many people in any profession are just going to be all fired up and elated to take a pay cut... kinda petty for people to be mad about imo.

Petty to hope for decency? Then yes, I guess I'm petty.

And for the record, I own a business and have taken many reductions in pay over the years so that my employees could get bonuses they depend on. Most of those coaches make more than me.

 

[Weezer]

Impossible to know how it'll all shake out. Friend's contract is up. Weinke's likely gone if he can find something better, and there will be many sighs of relief. Chaney's on cruise control so if he'll amble back to Arkansas to join his good buddy Pittman, that'll give Pruitt a do-over-over. It wouldn't be surprising if most who refused to sign the contract amendment are looking to move on.

So all but the two coaches that happen to be alum?

 

[volatil]

This going public probably scares potential candidates too.

Yay us

 

[Kingston Vol]

I know I'm ranting and rambling, so I'll step back after this.

But it's clear there's an issue with this football staff, both internally and externally. It appears whatever it is has seeped onto the field.

If it doesn't get fixed, anything is on the table. The pressure on a program like this doesn't allow things like this to go away. Either it is fixed, or it'll explode.

2-8 or 3-7 would be the perfect fuel for an explosion. And if it happens, everyone is at risk.

I believe what @LA Vol said about Pruitt being promised 5 years when he was hired. I have been told by some others that nothing regarding his job status will be determined before December of 2021.

But sometimes, best laid plans fail. And my belief is Phillip Fulmer cares about this program far more than he cares about Jeremy Pruitt - or his job status and reputation tied to Jeremy Pruitt. The second he feels Pruitt won't survive, or doesn't want to put in the work, he will make a change. And I'm not guaranteeing that change is Hugh Freeze or another top coaching candidate everyone would agree on. It might end up being worse.

But he's a VFL and he won't hesitate.

 

[volinbama256]

So between JP saying "meh, I can always go back to daddy and have a DC job", our staff sucking ass in terms of coaching/developing players, and then this coming out about the two highest paid coordinators refusing a temporary cut, it is disturbing that everyone is safe, good, and not going anywhere next season... how as a fan can you really continue to support this?

 

[Weezer]

Petty to hope for decency? Then yes, I guess I'm petty.

And for the record, I own a business and have taken many reductions in pay over the years so that my employees could get bonuses they depend on. Most of those coaches make more than me.

Big difference between being a business owner and being in a mercenary business. Universities have little loyalty to coaches, so it's difficult to ask them to be loyal to the university. I get what you're saying, that other people are involved, but I doubt they have that POV due to the business they're in.

 

[Batman1948]

Impossible to know how it'll all shake out. Friend's contract is up. Weinke's likely gone if he can find something better, and there will be many sighs of relief. Chaney's on cruise control so if he'll amble back to Arkansas to join his good buddy Pittman, that'll give Pruitt a do-over-over. It wouldn't be surprising if most who refused to sign the contract

 

[BAJAvol]

Lol if you're going to remove up to 8 staff members, why not just remove the whole the whole damn staff and start over. If they literally change over 8 staff members, that will be a complete waste of money. My God, clean house and move on.

 

[volinbama256]

Really bad look for outsiders looking at UT Football. We are already being hit with negative recruiting from other schools, this just adds fuel to the fire.

I agree.... and I can't remember a time where other schools didn't have plenty of negative ammo to fire at UT in terms of recruiting... we just seem to always be F'ing something up...

 

[SSVol]

Big difference between being a business owner and being in a mercenary business. Universities have little loyalty to coaches, so it's difficult to ask them to be loyal to the university. I get what you're saying, that other people are involved, but I doubt they have that POV due to the business they're in.

Decent people are decent regardless. Interesting that the basketball coaches didn't see it that way.

 

[RikidyBones]

And is particularly bad given that many people have lost jobs altogether. It reflects poorly on integrity and decency.

So the university doesn't have to stand together with the employees and gets to fire them without negative reaction? Sounds like the employees are expected to sacrifice but it's not given in return.

 

[Weezer]

Lol if you're going to remove up to 8 staff members, why not just remove the whole the whole damn staff and start over. If they literally change over 8 staff members, that will be a complete waste of money. My God, clean house and move on.

Unless they take jobs elsewhere, I'd guess most of the defensive staff remains. Changes will probably come from the offensive side.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I am certain we wouldn’t lose to GA state.

At that moment, I knew in my heart he was not going to cut it. That can’t happen... ever.

 

[KPT_VFL]

Petty to hope for decency? Then yes, I guess I'm petty.

And for the record, I own a business and have taken many reductions in pay over the years so that my employees could get bonuses they depend on. Most of those coaches make more than me.

Ok? How many of your employees took pay cuts? Fulmer took one correct so this is the same in your situation? The boss took one? I mean sure it’s a decent thing to do when you make what they make but they signed a contract to make that amount. First off you gave them the deal.... second their pay cuts won’t do crap for 40 million dollar loss... third they work for a university that isn’t hurting for money and will make a lot back next year. It’s petty anyway you spin it. I can’t blame anyone who got hired somewhere at one pay rate then are asked to take less and they refuse.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Hubbs thoughts on staff rejecting pay cuts...

Woah!! This is the Brent Hubbs that I want to read thoughts from from this point forward! This past week or so he has been the most realistic and done some of his best work ever, IMO. Nicely done, BH! Burn them at the stake! I wonder if it might cost all 8 of them their jobs.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

91 pages behind and 12,000 steps to get in this treadmill.

Let get it

 

[volatil]

91 pages behind and 12,000 steps to get in this treadmill.

Let get it

Spoiler alert:

Gilligan gets off the island

 

[MarcoVol]

 

[KPT_VFL]

Decent people are decent regardless. Interesting that the basketball coaches didn't see it that way.

Tell us how noble you are. Praise be to thee. We are all unworthy of your gracious acts of goodwill. Please tell us more oh white knight about how we can be as good as you.

 

[BAJAvol]

At that moment, I knew in my heart he was not going to cut it. That can’t happen... ever.

Same. The BYU loss was the cherry. Any coach that treats any game like a scrimmage is a moron. Of course I knew when they beat a bunch of nobody's to finish the year, the sheep would be out in full force.