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[MontyPython]

Are you overweight?

Negative. Odd question.

 

[newyorkvol]

(1) There is no immunization, so your suggestion that herd immunity could be done through it and letting the virus run rampant is moot.

(2) Doctors and scientists use words like "likely" and "possibly" because they're smart. Unlike Dumb Donald, they recognize that the world's not simple, black and white and that the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

(3) The rest of your post is pure hypothetical posturing. You're no virologist, nor are you a doctor. I'll trust doctors and scientists all day long over politicians and laymen.

Nice when you got to my point that I showed actual current statistical FACTS, you call it “pure hypothetical posturing.”

 

[MontyPython]

Doctors should not have the final say when the overall effects are far beyond their purview

Well, you've got your wish... Trump ignores Fauci, the CDC and all the various generally-accepted protocol for preventing the spread of Covid.

How's that turned out so far?

 

[utvolpj]

Well, you've got your wish... Trump ignores Fauci, the CDC and all the various generally-accepted protocol for preventing the spread of Covid.

How's that turned out so far?

Mortality rate is dropping. My kids are back in school and sports and they are happy and healthy. I'm back in the office and business is picking back up. About to sell my house for a really nice profit and build another.

Thanks for asking. How are you?

 

[allvol123]

Negative. Odd question.

Not odd at all when you're dead set worried about doing what the doctors say. That isnt what many as citizens are concerned over, what the doctors say.

 

[MontyPython]

Nice when you got to my point that I showed actual current statistical FACTS, you call it “pure hypothetical posturing.”

Sorry. Didn't mean to be harsh. But, it is true, of course. You're jousting at windmills here, my friend.

The author is "a professor of behavioral and community health sciences... based on all the research and science available, the leadership at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health and I believe this infection-based approach would almost certainly fail."

Are you suggesting that you know more about herd immunity than the author and the U. Pittsburgh Grad School of Public Health?

 

[MontyPython]

I'll bite. A few important points:


There is no vaccine available, and thus no safety data on vaccination. When (and if) one is approved, there will still be no long-term safety data until years after initial deployment.



The author is ignoring two very important issues: 1) the "known" infection rate is much lower than the actual rate, due to most people having such minor symptoms. This is obvious in every antibody study to date. Therefore, herd immunity could actually be reached when as little as 6-10% of the population has tested positive. 2) there is almost certainly some degree of background immunity in the population. This has been explained ad nauseum.


1) the plan does not say that, at all. 2) the risk of serious illness or death in the young, healthy population is very small and would be considered tolerable in almost any infectious disease issue.


1) natural immunity should be at least as good as, if not better than, vaccination. If it doesn't hold, it won't with a vaccine either, and people would need revaccination q 3 months or so. 2) A decline in antibody titers does not mean that a person is susceptible to reinfection. Thankfully, the immune system is much more complicated than that.

That's all the time I have over lunch... Certainly plenty more to pick apart.

Zzzzzz...

You guys crack me up. Ya'll should be large and in charge of fixing this here "fake China flu"!

World Health Organization:

"What is WHO’s position on ‘herd immunity’ as a way of fighting COVID-19?

Attempts to reach ‘herd immunity’ through exposing people to a virus are scientifically problematic and unethical. Letting COVID-19 spread through populations, of any age or health status will lead to unnecessary infections, suffering and death."

# # #

So... go ahead... tell us now how the WHO is wrong, and how you and the China Faux Flu Gang know better....

 

[MG1968]

Sorry. Didn't mean to be harsh. But, it is true, of course. You're jousting at windmills here, my friend.

The author is "a professor of behavioral and community health sciences... based on all the research and science available, the leadership at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health and I believe this infection-based approach would almost certainly fail."

Are you suggesting that you know more about herd immunity than the author and the U. Pittsburgh Grad School of Public Health?

Have you ever sought a second opinion regarding a medical diagnosis?

 

[kiddiedoc]

Zzzzzz...

You guys crack me up. Ya'll should be large and in charge of fixing this here "fake China flu"!

World Health Organization:

"What is WHO’s position on ‘herd immunity’ as a way of fighting COVID-19?

Attempts to reach ‘herd immunity’ through exposing people to a virus are scientifically problematic and unethical. Letting COVID-19 spread through populations, of any age or health status will lead to unnecessary infections, suffering and death."

# # #

So... go ahead... tell us now how the WHO is wrong, and how you and the China Faux Flu Gang know better....

So, in other words: a physician responds to your question and you have no actual rebuttals to any of my points?

 

[utvolpj]

Zzzzzz...

You guys crack me up. Ya'll should be large and in charge of fixing this here "fake China flu"!

World Health Organization:

"What is WHO’s position on ‘herd immunity’ as a way of fighting COVID-19?

Attempts to reach ‘herd immunity’ through exposing people to a virus are scientifically problematic and unethical. Letting COVID-19 spread through populations, of any age or health status will lead to unnecessary infections, suffering and death."

# # #

So... go ahead... tell us now how the WHO is wrong, and how you and the China Faux Flu Gang know better....

Unless you take a targeted approach to protecting the citizens. You keep presenting a false choice

 

[PointGuard]

New contract, better pay, 15 min from my house. No more hotels. Yay

Congrats

 

[C-south]

Zzzzzz...

You guys crack me up. Ya'll should be large and in charge of fixing this here "fake China flu"!

World Health Organization:

"What is WHO’s position on ‘herd immunity’ as a way of fighting COVID-19?

Attempts to reach ‘herd immunity’ through exposing people to a virus are scientifically problematic and unethical. Letting COVID-19 spread through populations, of any age or health status will lead to unnecessary infections, suffering and death."

# # #

So... go ahead... tell us now how the WHO is wrong, and how you and the China Faux Flu Gang know better....

Nobody is forcing people to be exposed....aside from a few governors. If you’re scared stay home. If you’re not carry on with your life.

 

[MG1968]

So, in other words: a physician responds to your question and you have no actual rebuttals to any of my points?

You don’t toe the company line and embrace the fear porn the ronabros are peddling. Therefore you’re just a hack witch doctor/snake oil salesman.

 

[PointGuard]

So, in other words: a physician responds to your question and you have no actual rebuttals to any of my points?

You’re A real physician ?

 

[newyorkvol]

Sorry. Didn't mean to be harsh. But, it is true, of course. You're jousting at windmills here, my friend.

The author is "a professor of behavioral and community health sciences... based on all the research and science available, the leadership at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health and I believe this infection-based approach would almost certainly fail."

Are you suggesting that you know more about herd immunity than the author and the U. Pittsburgh Grad School of Public Health?

Are you saying his “belief” is bettwr info than that which the MD and public health PHD’s said in the great Harrington thing?

 

[kiddiedoc]

You’re A real physician ?

Ha, yeah, last I checked. Board certified, courtesy staff at Children's, and department chair at our local hospital x 16 years.

 

[newyorkvol]

Zzzzzz...

You guys crack me up. Ya'll should be large and in charge of fixing this here "fake China flu"!

World Health Organization:

"What is WHO’s position on ‘herd immunity’ as a way of fighting COVID-19?

Attempts to reach ‘herd immunity’ through exposing people to a virus are scientifically problematic and unethical. Letting COVID-19 spread through populations, of any age or health status will lead to unnecessary infections, suffering and death."

# # #

So... go ahead... tell us now how the WHO is wrong, and how you and the China Faux Flu Gang know better....

WHO also says we should be open with positivity under 5%. We’ve been hovering in NY at 1% for months and yet here we are...

 

[MontyPython]

Mortality rate is dropping. My kids are back in school and sports and they are happy and healthy. I'm back in the office and business is picking back up. About to sell my house for a really nice profit and build another.

Thanks for asking. How are you?

I'm good, thank you! Telecommuting my Boston job from the beach in NC, and fishing too much.

However, I can't ignore the 225,000+ dead people.

 

[hog88]

Ha, yeah, last I checked. Board certified, courtesy staff at Children's, and department chair at our local hospital x 16 years.

Pffft like any of that means something.

 

[utvolpj]

I'm good, thank you! Telecommuting my Boston job from the beach in NC, and fishing too much.

However, I can't ignore the 225,000+ dead people.

But you do every other year and have for most of your life.

We know the demographics that are affected. Outside of those people, normal life should return (and is)

 

[newyorkvol]

Sorry. Didn't mean to be harsh. But, it is true, of course. You're jousting at windmills here, my friend.

The author is "a professor of behavioral and community health sciences... based on all the research and science available, the leadership at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health and I believe this infection-based approach would almost certainly fail."

Are you suggesting that you know more about herd immunity than the author and the U. Pittsburgh Grad School of Public Health?

Also, why is it that I can state factually from data obtained from current US sources that contradict what this guy has written, you say I’m jostling at windmills? Maybe do some basic research for yourself and stop believing poorly written opinion pieces.

 

[MontyPython]

Also, why is it that I can state factually from data obtained from current US sources that contradict what this guy has written, you say I’m jostling at windmills? Maybe do some basic research for yourself and stop believing poorly written opinion pieces.

 

[MontyPython]

Coming soon to a Big Orange team near you...

(probably for the best, given we apparently suck this year)

Big Ten football game canceled due to rising Covid-19 cases
From CNN's Wayne Sterling

Wisconsin Badgers Head Coach Paul Chryst does a post-game interview after an NCAA college football game against the Illinois Fighting Illini on October 23 in Madison, Wisconsin. David Stluka via AP

The Big Ten football game between the Wisconsin Badgers and the Nebraska Cornhuskers scheduled for Saturday has been canceled due to several positive Covid-19 cases within the Wisconsin football program.

 

[newyorkvol]

Sorry. Didn't mean to be harsh. But, it is true, of course. You're jousting at windmills here, my friend.

The author is "a professor of behavioral and community health sciences... based on all the research and science available, the leadership at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health and I believe this infection-based approach would almost certainly fail."

Are you suggesting that you know more about herd immunity than the author and the U. Pittsburgh Grad School of Public Health?

Also, why is it that I can state factually from data obtained from current US sources that contradict what this guy has written, you say I’m jostling at windmills? Maybe do some basic research for yourself and stop believing poorly written opinion pieces.

 

[ButchPlz]

Zzzzzz...

You guys crack me up. Ya'll should be large and in charge of fixing this here "fake China flu"!

World Health Organization:

"What is WHO’s position on ‘herd immunity’ as a way of fighting COVID-19?

Attempts to reach ‘herd immunity’ through exposing people to a virus are scientifically problematic and unethical. Letting COVID-19 spread through populations, of any age or health status will lead to unnecessary infections, suffering and death."

# # #

So... go ahead... tell us now how the WHO is wrong, and how you and the China Faux Flu Gang know better....

Imagine ranting about "politicians" then citing an organization whose head is a philosophy PhD and that deliberately withheld and covered up initial data at the behest of a government.