The Hunter Biden Thread

[Ashevolle]

Ask any socialist leader

I thought our leader was a con(servative)?

 

[05_never_again]

That's exactly right, both sides are filthy. It's just amusing that after four years of lies and scandal - suddenly we're all supposed to be outraged at a email with a highly dubious origin.

Heck, I actually think it's more than plausible that Hunter is a crackhead bag man for his old man but it's no different than the evidence and actions of trumps kids.

I'm looking for the daylight between these two syndicates and can't even find a sliver.

At this point I think Trump's camp is trying to drive outrage over Twitter and social media seemingly trying to slow or stop the dissemination of the story, as opposed to what the story actually alleges. You're correct - there's no daylight between what Hunter Biden is alleged to have done and what Don Jr is alleged to have done. It's a wash.

However, I think even the most anti-Trump among us would have to admit any tale of Trump corruption was quickly taken up and breathlessly reported on by most of the mainstream media, even if it had anonymous/dubious sources (Steele dossier, Trump's "losers and suckers" comments) or came from material that was leaked (Trump's tax returns).

Regardless of your political persuasion, it does seem like there's a bit of a double standard in how these stories are reported and presented. When it's an anti-Biden story, all of a sudden proper sourcing, or not reporting on stories that came from "hacked" material, seems to matter a lot.

 

[DJimgo]

 

[Septic]

What evidence is that? I'd genuinely like to compare.

Maybe you can find something in here to help convince you that the trump syndicate has been pretty much doing exactly what they are accusing the Biden syndicate of, less the nepotistic grift of putting some of them on the governments payroll...

Those Foreign Business Ties? The Trump Sons Have Plenty Too (Published 2019)

Trump's children take in millions overseas as president slams Biden's son

How Donald Trump's Kids Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency

Trump criticizes the Bidens, but his own family’s business raises questions

PolitiFact - Eric Trump’s false claim that the Trump family ‘got out of all international business’

World of Influence: A guide to Trump’s foreign business interests

PolitiFact - Fact-checking how many Trump relatives and friends are in the White House, administration

 

[AM64]

Russians, duh.

You should know this by now.

I'm going with Chinese commies as the real hackers stirring up crap involving Russia and the US and making both look clueless.

 

[AM64]

I can't wait to see it, though at this point - I don't need to see a raunchy drug and sex fueled video of Hunter to know that I'd never vote for him.

So you're saying this apple dropped off the tree, went into orbit, and landed on the other side of the world - clearly disputing the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and Newton's concept of gravity?

 

[jaybird_1981]

Looks like a democratically run city in the background burning.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Maybe you can find something in here to help convince you that the trump syndicate has been pretty much doing exactly what they are accusing the Biden syndicate of, less the nepotistic grift of putting some of them on the governments payroll...

Those Foreign Business Ties? The Trump Sons Have Plenty Too (Published 2019)

Trump's children take in millions overseas as president slams Biden's son

How Donald Trump's Kids Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency

Trump criticizes the Bidens, but his own family’s business raises questions

PolitiFact - Eric Trump’s false claim that the Trump family ‘got out of all international business’

World of Influence: A guide to Trump’s foreign business interests

PolitiFact - Fact-checking how many Trump relatives and friends are in the White House, administration

I'll read them. In the meantime I'll ask this...

Are the Trump kids working for Trump Enterprises, or being paid millions of dollars by foreign oligarchs that are under investigation for corruption?

Has Trump gone on camera bragging that he's using US taxpayer $$$ to blackmail other governments into firing the prosecutors who are investigating the oligarchs that employ his kids?

Are there emails where Trump's kids are charging foreign agents for introductions to Trump?

Like I said, I'll read up, but can you tell me if I should expect to see evidence that is...

... no different than the evidence and actions of trumps kids.

 

[AM64]

Seems Hunter Biden is a touchy subject of late.

You just had to go there.

 

[Septic]

At this point I think Trump's camp is trying to drive outrage over Twitter and social media seemingly trying to slow or stop the dissemination of the story, as opposed to what the story actually alleges. You're correct - there's no daylight between what Hunter Biden is alleged to have done and what Don Jr is alleged to have done. It's a wash.

However, I think even the most anti-Trump among us would have to admit any tale of Trump corruption was quickly taken up and breathlessly reported on by most of the mainstream media, even if it had anonymous/dubious sources (Steele dossier, Trump's "losers and suckers" comments) or came from material that was leaked (Trump's tax returns).

Regardless of your political persuasion, it does seem like there's a bit of a double standard in how these stories are reported and presented. When it's an anti-Biden story, all of a sudden proper sourcing, or not reporting on stories that came from "hacked" material, seems to matter a lot.

That's pretty reasonable. Someone pointed out that the tax document story that was broken by the NY Times was as a result of stolen or leaked info. They were right in that there's not much difference between that and the disallowed dissemination of Hunters crack pics.

As a side to Twitters confused and incongruent application of rules, I think that Trump has treated the media so poorly over the last 4.5 years - he's never going to get the benefit of the doubt with them.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Maybe you can find something in here to help convince you that the trump syndicate has been pretty much doing exactly what they are accusing the Biden syndicate of, less the nepotistic grift of putting some of them on the governments payroll...

Those Foreign Business Ties? The Trump Sons Have Plenty Too (Published 2019)

Trump's children take in millions overseas as president slams Biden's son

How Donald Trump's Kids Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency

Trump criticizes the Bidens, but his own family’s business raises questions

PolitiFact - Eric Trump’s false claim that the Trump family ‘got out of all international business’

World of Influence: A guide to Trump’s foreign business interests

PolitiFact - Fact-checking how many Trump relatives and friends are in the White House, administration

OK. Convince me to keep reading past the first one. It listed no improprieties or conflicts of interest whatsoever. It literally just made the argument "Trump's kids do international business just like Hunter Biden, and they're accusing Hunter of doing exactly what they're doing".

“They are criticizing the vice president’s son for doing exactly what they are doing themselves,” said Martin Ford, a member of the Aberdeenshire Council in Scotland, which voted last month to approve a proposal by the Trumps to build a 500-unit housing development. “They are conducting international business here in Scotland.”

But that is an incredibly disingenuous summary, considering the conflicts of interest and what's coming out in emails now. Answer my above questions and convince me why the remaining articles deserve any more of my attention, considering the first.

Thanks.

 

[05_never_again]

That's pretty reasonable. Someone pointed out that the tax document story that was broken by the NY Times was as a result of stolen or leaked info. They were right in that there's not much difference between that and the disallowed dissemination of Hunters crack pics.

As a side to Twitters confused and incongruent application of rules, I think that Trump has treated the media so poorly over the last 4.5 years - he's never going to get the benefit of the doubt with them.

He would argue, and I would agree, that they treated him poorly from the jump. He brings some of it upon himself because of his rhetorical style, but it isn't like the media gave him breaks at first, then Trump treated them poorly, and then the media turned on him. And that isn't to say that it is the media's job to treat any politician "well" - it should be the media's job to treat them consistently though. I actually think the media has a love/hate relationship with him; for outlets like MSNBC and CNN, who despise him politically, he creates so much hate-watching that it's been great for ratings. He'd never admit it, but I bet deep down Jeff Zucker (who used to be buddies with Trump) actually wants to see Trump re-elected. Having Trump in office for another 4 years would be great for business.

Anyway, I'd still have a problem, but I'd have less of a problem with the media than I do if they treated all politicians and political parties with kid gloves or all of them unfairly. It's a huge problem when they have a different set of rules and tactics between them though.

 

[AM64]

That's pretty reasonable. Someone pointed out that the tax document story that was broken by the NY Times was as a result of stolen or leaked info. They were right in that there's not much difference between that and the disallowed dissemination of Hunters crack pics.

As a side to Twitters confused and incongruent application of rules, I think that Trump has treated the media so poorly over the last 4.5 years - he's never going to get the benefit of the doubt with them.

If the MSM simply reported fact, wasn't driving an agenda, wasn't the liberal/progressive party's propaganda department, perhaps Trump might have worked better with them. Personally, when most of their snotty nosed brats in the WH press corps get started with their tirades, I think a plain old beating would be in order. Or in other words, if you want respect (especially from someone actually in authority), show some respect and a modicum of dignity.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Maybe you can find something in here to help convince you that the trump syndicate has been pretty much doing exactly what they are accusing the Biden syndicate of, less the nepotistic grift of putting some of them on the governments payroll...

Those Foreign Business Ties? The Trump Sons Have Plenty Too (Published 2019)

Trump's children take in millions overseas as president slams Biden's son

How Donald Trump's Kids Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency

Trump criticizes the Bidens, but his own family’s business raises questions

PolitiFact - Eric Trump’s false claim that the Trump family ‘got out of all international business’

World of Influence: A guide to Trump’s foreign business interests

PolitiFact - Fact-checking how many Trump relatives and friends are in the White House, administration

Seriosuly, do you even read the articles you link?

A summary of the second article, from the second article...

Time and again, Trump’s children have blurred the lines of family, nation and business — essentially the charge the president makes against the Bidens as he battles a House impeachment inquiry focused on whether he improperly pushed Ukraine to investigate his political rivals for what he claims were shady dealings.

What a lie. Trump accused Biden junior of working for corrupt oligarchs and peddling access to his father. Now there is email proof of it. Trump accused Biden of using taxpayer $$$ to blackmail a foreign government into firing the prosecutor that was investigating the oligarchs that employed his son, which Biden bragged about on camera.

The article made a false equivocation, and you are as well by claiming that the evidence and actions of the Bidens are...how did you put it...? "... no different than the evidence and actions of trumps kids."

 

[05_never_again]

If the MSM simply reported fact, wasn't driving an agenda, wasn't the liberal/progressive party's propaganda department, perhaps Trump might have worked better with them. Personally, when most of their snotty nosed brats in the WH press corps get started with their tirades, I think a plain old beating would be in order. Or in other words, if you want respect (especially from someone actually in authority), show some respect and a modicum of dignity.

In the modern era with so many options to go as far as media consumption, a White House "press corps" simply performs a utility function. They are nowhere near as big of a deal as they were before the internet and this degree of media saturation, and its members are acutely aware of this. Therefore, they become performance artists. Calling someone like Jim Acosta a "journalist" is a bad joke and an insult to actual journalists. He's more close to Andy Kaufman than Walter Cronkite. Acosta, and others like him, play characters, except it's like the old days of professional wrestling and they want you to think it's real.

The press corps arose in an era where their function was essential - they were the conduit by which information was transmitted. They are no longer the sole conduit, just a conduit, and it freaks them out. So they have to do something else to draw attention to themselves. And when you have a President that likes to throw bombs regardless, what you see is the end result.

 

[Septic]

I'll read them. In the meantime I'll ask this...

Are the Trump kids working for Trump Enterprises, or being paid millions of dollars by foreign oligarchs that are under investigation for corruption?

Has Trump gone on camera bragging that he's using US taxpayer $$$ to blackmail other governments into firing the prosecutors who are investigating the oligarchs that employ his kids?

Are there emails where Trump's kids are charging foreign agents for introductions to Trump?

Like I said, I'll read up, but can you tell me if I should expect to see evidence that is...

Probably, you'll have to research it. Or maybe just keep zooming into until you can focus on a tree that looks different instead of recognizing both sides reside in a forest.

 

[Septic]

Seriosuly, do you even read the articles you link?

A summary of the second article, from the second article...



What a lie. Trump accused Biden junior of working for corrupt oligarchs and peddling access to his father. Now there is email proof of it. Trump accused Biden of using taxpayer $$$ to blackmail a foreign government into firing the prosecutor that was investigating the oligarchs that employed his son, which Biden bragged about on camera.

The article made a false equivocation, and you are as well by claiming that the evidence and actions of the Bidens are...how did you put it...? "... no different than the evidence and actions of trumps kids."

Where's the lie?

 

[Septic]

If the MSM simply reported fact, wasn't driving an agenda, wasn't the liberal/progressive party's propaganda department, perhaps Trump might have worked better with them. Personally, when most of their snotty nosed brats in the WH press corps get started with their tirades, I think a plain old beating would be in order. Or in other words, if you want respect (especially from someone actually in authority), show some respect and a modicum of dignity.

The MSM (whatever that is from day to day) does what they need to do to throw red meat to their bases. It'z a money thang, don't pretend that it isn't.

 

[VolnJC]

Oh well there goes the Twitter ans FB are private companies they can do what they want argument
FCC Chairman: First Amendment Doesn't Give Big Tech 'Special Immunity'

 

[Orange_Crush]

Where's the lie?

essentially the charge the president makes against the Bidens as he battles a House impeachment inquiry focused on whether he improperly pushed Ukraine to investigate his political rivals for what he claims were shady dealings.

Thus the response:

Trump accused Biden junior of working for corrupt oligarchs and peddling access to his father. Now there is email proof of it. Trump accused Biden of using taxpayer $$$ to blackmail a foreign government into firing the prosecutor that was investigating the oligarchs that employed his son, which Biden bragged about on camera.

 

[Septic]

OK. Convince me to keep reading past the first one. It listed no improprieties or conflicts of interest whatsoever. It literally just made the argument "Trump's kids do international business just like Hunter Biden, and they're accusing Hunter of doing exactly what they're doing".



But that is an incredibly disingenuous summary, considering the conflicts of interest and what's coming out in emails now. Answer my above questions and convince me why the remaining articles deserve any more of my attention, considering the first.

Thanks.

Nope, not because I'm unconvinced that trumps crotch spawn aren't guilty of selling access and favor but because I'm really quite apathetic of trying to convince someone of something that should be relatively obvious. If you see the two as wholly different, great.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Probably, you'll have to research it.

One would think the "evidence and actions" would be in the links you provided. I shoudn't have to go far.

Or maybe just keep zooming into until you can focus on a tree that looks different instead of recognizing both sides reside in a forest.

A tree that looks different, after you told me they were identical?

... no different than the evidence and actions of trumps kids.

Rich kids running Daddy's business and getting richer.

A crack whore working for Eastern oligarchs, who are under investigation for corruption, with no subject matter expertise in his field of board service to them, getting money from the wife of foreign politician that he can't account for. Daddy-VP bragging on camera about blackmailing a foreign government with US taxpayer $$$ unless they fire the prosecurot who's investigating son's oligarch employers for corruption... Emails proving Hunter was selling access to his dad with opening bids of $10,000,000.

Yah... Like I said. You're making convenient equivocations, unless you want to link actual proof and actions that are "no different" to the Biden soap opera.

And you've been lambasting Trump supporters for three years for supposedly turning a blind eye to his character. You've been trolling about whataboutism forever now.

And now just look at yourself.

 

[Septic]

Thus the response:

Biden's "bragging" about what he'd do was based on OPEN bi-partisan support of the wonton corruption in Ukraine. Acting like he was acting unilaterally and without justification is a revisionist history, foisted as a smoking gun. The right and left knew, agreed and supported the Obama administration putting the screws to Ukraine.

You keep acting like this was some clandestine, back room knife twist that Dementia Joe accidentally said, it wasn't...

 

[FLVOL_79]

I thought our leader was a con(servative)?

If you think America is destroyed now then America isn't for you.

 

[VolStrom]

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