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OHvol40 said:
I agree that making their own decision when presented with informed options that stem from decades of experience treating something is the right thing. The point with covid, though, is that experience doesn’t exist so if contracting the virus eventually leads to chronic lung issues or predisposition to something else and a school negligently increased exposure to everyone involved just to “get back to football” then there might be hell to pay down the line.
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"Just to get back to football" is the wrong way to phrase it. Considering the info the Big 10 and Pac 12 were working from were flawed reports I think it's fair to say the schools did what was appropriate.
So far the biggest long term concern is the mycondratis (sp?). But that is an issue with any viral infection.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
There might be something worked out after the election. I think any bill is dead on arrival in the Senate right now. Plus there are the hearings for Barrett coming up in October.
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Nah, after Trump wins it’ll be back to impeachment hearings. No time for stimulus.
 
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Here is something I don't get. So my high school senior was exposed and I was told like other parents that he was not allowed to leave the property for 14 days. I know 3 cases here where the spouse was told they could go wherever they wanted they just had to wear a mask.
 
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LouderVol said:
They lifted the restrictions 4 days ago. The window you have applied is typically 7 days or 14 days for sturgis.

Surely you arent changing the window of infections to suit your fear mongering. #scienth
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Bro the virus knows what you're doing. It took longer for Sturgis infections because it was initially confused that Sturgis might be a protest against the police or racism. Once it figured out the real deal it spread like wildfire. At restaurants it knows 100% you're not there with good intentions so it infects everyone.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
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Take a look at population and population density. Israel is 9M and change; Sweden is 10M and change. Consider the size of the country (and desert). Population density of Israel is 401 people/sq km; Sweden is 25/sq km. Pack people more closely together and you get higher disease transmission rates. Sweden (outside Stockholm) more like the US in the 50s - entirely different from a country like Israel. US is 36/sq km; in all cases the distribution between rural and urban areas is highly skewed; but in a much smaller country like Israel, there's little opportunity to spread out.

Contagion can multiply at an exponential rate (1 person can infect many - each of those can infect many) while mandates are more linear. There's a significant time lag between disease growth and corrective measures - more infected people than known (because of the delayed onset of symptoms if people are symptomatic) are already in the pipeline and have the potential to affect others. Feedback and control and system dynamics are the real studies that would give a real handle on all this if people really responded more uniformly, but even mask wear varies both in quality of the mask and user compliance.
 
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AM64 said:
Take a look at population and population density. Israel is 9M and change; Sweden is 10M and change. Consider the size of the country (and desert). Population density of Israel is 401 people/sq km; Sweden is 25/sq km. Pack people more closely together and you get higher disease transmission rates. Sweden (outside Stockholm) more like the US in the 50s - entirely different from a country like Israel. US is 36/sq km; in all cases the distribution between rural and urban areas is highly skewed; but in a much smaller country like Israel, there's little opportunity to spread out.

Contagion can multiply at an exponential rate (1 person can infect many - each of those can infect many) while mandates are more linear. There's a significant time lag between disease growth and corrective measures - more infected people than known (because of the delayed onset of symptoms if people are symptomatic) are already in the pipeline and have the potential to affect others. Feedback and control and system dynamics are the real studies that would give a real handle on all this if people really responded more uniformly, but even mask wear varies both in quality of the mask and user compliance.
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Seems like Israel has been on the extreme end of the mask wearing. And based on that chart protective measures just offset the growth, not stop it. Which goes back to the flatten the curve idea and not a reduction in total.
 
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LouderVol said:
Seems like Israel has been on the extreme end of the mask wearing. And based on that chart protective measures just offset the growth, not stop it. Which goes back to the flatten the curve idea and not a reduction in total.
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Yep. I also look at mask wear not from a medical standpoint but from a CBR (chemical, biological, radiological) standpoint which gets to quality of the PPE, how it's worn, and maybe most importantly how it's removed. I'm not surprised at how poorly people protect themselves with masks because they were never sold on the concept and certainly never instructed on the basics. You put a contaminated mask under the nose, inhale through the nose, and lift the non-fixed contaminants right off the mask into the breathing passage. You only get statistical meaning about effectiveness when the measured population actually does the measured action correctly
 
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