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Today is the first day for a new reporting format from the TDPH on the coronavirus. I don’t yet know how this is going to affect the UT Dashboard or how much time they will invest to try to sort it out. The big change, quoted below, resulted in the active case count for the state dropping by more than half from yesterday to today, from 35,359 down to 16,163, a drop of 19,196. Many counties saw their active cases counts drop accordingly, by more than half. I think the transmission rate is tied to active case counts so this change in format may have the folks at UT scratching their head. TDPH reported 1,715 new cases today and from a base of presumably around 14,458 active cases yesterday so I’m guessing our Re numbers are going to be markedly different from what we have been seeing over the past 2 or 3 weeks, or at least I suspect they will be once someone can figure out the math. jmo.

Reporting Inactive/Recovered Cases
Starting Sept. 3, TDH case count reports will include figures for “Inactive/Recovered” cases and will no longer include data for “Recovered” cases. “Inactive/Recovered” cases will include people who are 14 days or more beyond their illness onset date (or, for asymptomatic cases, their specimen collection date). This will more closely align with what is now understood about the infectious period of COVID-19, as recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show most patients with COVID-19 are no longer infectious after 10 days.
Previously, TDH considered a case recovered after a 21-day period.
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TDH Updates Reporting Format for COVID-19 Cases

edit to add - this just in from the folks operating the UT Dashboard:

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scvolfan7 said:
Have you not watched us play AU lately? Right now Bruce owns rick and has a final four while we barely got to the sweet 16 with one of, if not the most, talented teams in UT b-ball history.

Both a very good coaches but Bruce is a step up from rick. So far. This year and on that could definitely change
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Most talented? Are you freakin kidding? He took a team of nobodies and developed them into what they became...c'mon man.
 
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Kristy* said:
And why were they one of the most talented teams in UT b-ball history? Scouting and coaching perhaps? All those players were 3* recruits (Williams, Schofield, Bone, Alexander, Bowden, Fulky, Turner) . Barnes turned them into one of the best teams. Because he's a great coach. Pearl had more "talent" here and at Auburn. Pearl had one better season at Tennessee than Barnes. I like them both, but Barnes is the better coach IMO.
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Exactly..
 
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scvolfan7 said:
I’ve never thought stars mattered. Especially in basketball. You either got it or you don’t. It is made up of talent and mindset.

Rick has an eye for TALENT and is elite at developing players. No doubt about it. But to dismiss those players innate ability doesn’t make any sense. It’s not like he injected them with some serum. It was their god given ability. Rick taught them how to use it.
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Sorry man, but that first paragraph is just silly. And your third and fourth sentences even debunk your own opinion. You’re reaching, trying to win an argument.

Logically and historically, basketball recruiting rankings have been more accurate than football recruiting rankings. That’s probably because there are fewer bb players to scout. And also because, as you say, “you either got it or you don’t “ and “it’s made up of talent and mindset”. Those things are more obvious with only 10 players on the court.
 
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OrangenSC said:
Sorry man, but that first paragraph is just silly. And your third and fourth sentences even debunk your own opinion. You’re reaching, trying to win an argument.

Logically and historically, basketball recruiting rankings have been more accurate than football recruiting rankings. That’s probably because there are fewer bb players to scout. And also because, as you say, “you either got it or you don’t “ and “it’s made up of talent and mindset”. Those things are more obvious with only 10 players on the court.
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Grant williams had “it” and he was a three star. He won SEC player of the year twice in three years. That’s god given ability. Rick coached him up very well but players make it happen on the court. Not the coach.
 
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The Dog said:
It's called player development, the main reason I prefer Barnes over Pearl. Well, besides Barnes doesn't lie and cheat, 2 more reasons
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You would rather watch players develop than win on the court? Alright. I prefer winning and not just winning, but winning in the big time games. Give me Pearl all day

Edit: Bruce is also pretty damn good at identifying and developing talent for his system
 
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scvolfan7 said:
You would rather watch players develop than win on the court? Alright. I prefer winning and not just winning, but winning in the big time games. Give me Pearl all day

Edit: Bruce is also pretty damn good at identifying and developing talent for his system
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Vols are winning and will continue to under Barnes. Yeah, Pearl got his Final 4, a couple of years ago. The Vols' Final 4 is coming, u can enjoy it or go cheer for Pearl and Auburn, I choose the former. U and I, just need to agree to disagree
 
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The Dog said:
Vols are winning and will continue to under Barnes. Yeah, Pearl got his Final 4, a couple of years ago. The Vols' Final 4 is coming, u can enjoy it or go cheer for Pearl and Auburn, I choose the former. U and I, just need to agree to disagree
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Obviously I’m rooting for us. Rick needs to learn to develop a deeper rotation. That’s what has hurt him in the tourney his entire career. He just runs his starters into the ground.

This year, our team is deeper and and more talented than any he’s had in his time in knoxville and it isn’t close. Minimum of Elite 8 or conference championship (regular season or tourney) should be the expectation
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Today is the first day for a new reporting format from the TDPH on the coronavirus. I don’t yet know how this is going to affect the UT Dashboard or how much time they will invest to try to sort it out. The big change, quoted below, resulted in the active case count for the state dropping by more than half from yesterday to today, from 35,359 down to 16,163, a drop of 19,196. Many counties saw their active cases counts drop accordingly, by more than half. I think the transmission rate is tied to active case counts so this change in format may have the folks at UT scratching their head. TDPH reported 1,715 new cases today and from a base of presumably around 14,458 active cases yesterday so I’m guessing our Re numbers are going to be markedly different from what we have been seeing over the past 2 or 3 weeks, or at least I suspect they will be once someone can figure out the math. jmo.



TDH Updates Reporting Format for COVID-19 Cases

edit to add - this just in from the folks operating the UT Dashboard:

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So basically accurate for the first time.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Obviously I’m rooting for us. Rick needs to learn to develop a deeper rotation. That’s what has hurt him in the tourney his entire career. He just runs his starters into the ground.

This year, our team is deeper and and more talented than any he’s had in his time in knoxville and it isn’t close. Minimum of Elite 8 or conference championship (regular season or tourney) should be the expectation
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Your expectations are the same as mine, this year
 
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I’ll wait for our games to see how JG is. Tee literally called my VFL neighbor himself gloating about JG last off-season and we saw how the season played out. Please Lord prove us all wrong JG! I would
Love it.

And I think we beat SC by over 21. They don’t scare me at all.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Have you not watched us play AU lately? Right now Bruce owns rick and has a final four while we barely got to the sweet 16 with one of, if not the most, talented teams in UT b-ball history.

Both a very good coaches but Bruce is a step up from rick. So far. This year and on that could definitely change
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Auburn under Pearl has been hands down more talented. To the point, where they underachieved the post-season we shared the SEC with them. I absolutely loved our guys (Grant, Admiral, etc) but talent wise we were maximizing 3*s and were fortunate that those teams had incredible chemistry and were developed by Barnes but make no mistake we overachieved with that team or did you forget that where we were supposed to finish when we were SEC co-champs? It's amazing that team was able to beat some of the teams that they did - we lacked height and were mismatched in most big games and had to play far above our level to compete. Not to mention we rarely had a pure PG on the court during their tenure here.

Pearl's style of bball is more fun to watch but his gift isn't in development. He gets out what's there but not more.
 
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Devo182 said:
I'd give Rick the edge in development and just being a good dude. But Bruce's system is better imo.

Now...Rick's ridiculous recruiting could turn the tables real fast. That "best UT team ever" had 0 top-100 prospects. We are about to have an entire 2-deep roster of those dudes. It's about to go down...
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I don't think Pearl's style is better but I do think it's more fun. Pearl's teams live and die by the three.
 
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