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pierce60 said:
The reason all of these groups can go ahead and play is because there is no question/illusion about their amateur status.

I firmly believe this has moved beyond just a COVID situation (player health is still the cover) and moved into a play by the NCAA to keep leverage on the players and prevent them from organizing further.

For example, if the players want to organize then the NCAA/presidents will just pull the plug on the season under the guise of player health to show the players who is still in charge.

No professional league has this problem and neither does high school football.
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yes
But remember, these guys are also adults and if they wanna play they should be able to play
 
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csprig9 said:
yes
But remember, these guys are also adults and if they wanna play they should be able to play
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I don't disagree. I'm just saying this isn't JUST about player health and safety anymore and those other leagues/organizations don't have to answer or have already answered the questions college athletics are currently being asked..
 
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Catbone said:
It's crazy to see how little leadership there is in college football. It's like chickens running around with their heads cut off
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I'm hoping that this example of the lack of leadership is something that can be exploited by a group of investors who may want to privatize the P5. Looking at you Mark Cuban!
 
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pierce60 said:
The reason all of these groups can go ahead and play is because there is no question/illusion about their amateur status.

I firmly believe this has moved beyond just a COVID situation (player health is still the cover) and moved into a play by the NCAA to keep leverage on the players and prevent them from organizing further.

For example, if the players want to organize then the NCAA/presidents will just pull the plug on the season under the guise of player health to show the players who is still in charge.

No professional league has this problem and neither does high school football.
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I think that also. It started with the demands by the PAC players using the virus as leverage to get what they wanted. So now it's a power struggle.
 
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csprig9 said:
Just wanna straight ask these commissioners why can’t college football play when MLB, NBA, NFL, NASCAR, golf, soccer, etc are playing
what is their argument and then asK them if in their own opinion if those other leagues should be playing
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From a legal standpoint, that's an easy answer. But, I do think it can be managed and at least attempted.
 
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butchna said:
Thanks. My wife had never displayed symptoms. Her leg started puffing up when we were traveling to DFW after my enlistment in the AF ended. We drove up to Wright Patterson in Dayton, Ohio to visit my sister and she complained about pain in her leg. By the time we left, she could barely lift it. She visited her doctor when we arrived and was hospitalized for a week with a Coumadin drip. Part of life afterwards. My now wife was diagnosed in her 30’s and it was a platelet disorder...not hereditary.
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Yeah, there's usually not symptoms with the clots. Unfortunately that's not the only thing with MTHFR, and they're really only now linking them. What one side of my family doesn't have the other does....diabetes, mid-term miscarriages, Lymphoma (or Leukemia), strokes, fibromyalgia... But both sides have clots. I was perfectly healthy until 40 and a car accident started the snowball so I am not complaining! (Only went to the once between 12 and 40!) Hoping they can continue to help Trey especially since his started so early.
 
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pierce60 said:
The reason all of these groups can go ahead and play is because there is no question/illusion about their amateur status.

I firmly believe this has moved beyond just a COVID situation (player health is still the cover) and moved into a play by the NCAA to keep leverage on the players and prevent them from organizing further.

For example, if the players want to organize then the NCAA/presidents will just pull the plug on the season under the guise of player health to show the players who is still in charge.

No professional league has this problem and neither does high school football.
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Not only that but you can differentiate ever other league. The NBA is playing in a bubble, and it has worked out wonderfully. Nascar is in a car. Golf is an individual game. The NFL is collectively bargained, the players get paid, and they can put together a list of demands for safety reasons. They can also opt out and still get paid.

I have always been for keeping the amateur status in college sports- I do believe there is inherent value in playing college athletics. But their situation is different than the others.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think that's what'll be the driving force with most anything that gets shut down or limited, sports or not.

if everyone was so confident, then decisiosn would already be made. there's been nothing but waffling for the past 6 weeks or so, and each step taken has been another step to soften the blow.

at this point, i don't know how anyone was realistically expecting football to happen, w/zero doubts......and when it gets to the point where p5'ish programs are cancelling seasons and p5 conferences are hinting at not playing, at that point, it's just a house of cards, and it all comes down.

anyway....it is what it is at this point, and i doubt seriously you could point at Sankey and just blame him for how this turns out....especially when/if other p5 programs and conferences start pulling the plug.....
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Not every concern raised by a lawyer is legitimate. They are charged with providing advice and risk assessments on legal matters, not making decisions. Leaders are charged with weighing all the information they can muster and make the best long-term strategic decisions. Managers are typically risk averse. Leaders don't typically possess that same risk averse nature. I don't begrudge lawyers the right to offer their opinions, I do have a problem when their opinions are allowed to shape policy without consideration of weightier strategic considerations.
 
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