Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

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Devo182 said:
It is a moot point if they are safer in their athletic dorm, at least trying to bubble, and being monitored all the time, as compared to being at home.

I hate all the possible long term effects of lungs, heart, I even heard brain from a doctor I spent all weekend camping with.

But if they are less likely to catch it in their semi-bubble and doing virtual classes, then the argument is moot, really.
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Sure, but they aren’t going to be bubbled. The NCAA has to have them in-class to prove the fallacy of amateurism. If they don’t, the whole charade comes crashing down.

And here’s what I’ll guarantee: the NCAA would much rather lose this season than pay players in perpetuity.
 
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utvols88 said:
This is where you are closed minded.
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I understand the monetary aspect for athletic administrations and I also understand how dire it will be for restaurants and other businesses dependent on football in these college towns.

I also know allowing schools, colleges and crowds to come back only lengthens the problem and the recession we’re in nationally.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Bass, I’ve got time this morning so I’ll engage.

1) *why* do we need to play this fall? Is it monetary?
2) should colleges be held liable if, say, Trey Smith gets a bad case and his already damaged lungs can’t handle it and he passes away?
3) I understand you think the virus isn’t serious so I’ll concede that point to you even though I don’t believe it. If a player tests positive, give me a run down on how that player should be handled afterwards.
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1. It is far more than monetary, but a large deal of it is. You're talking about some universities that may never recover. You're talking about the local economy, you're talking about thousands of students losing scholarships and the opportunities that they would never otherwise have. You're talking about athletes having an opportunity to escape from dangerous home environments. Etc. etc. There are many reasons why no football would be devastating.

2. Trey Smith understands the risk to himself. He does not have to play. Nobody is forcing him to play. If he wants to play, he, like all other football players, should sign a waiver saying they accept all risks and liabilities. I highly doubt this virus would kill Trey though just for the record. It would be awful. But the virus, as the data shows, is not anywhere near as deadly as the flu to college students.

3. They should do what baseball is doing. It isn't hard. If a player tests positive, you isolate the player until he tests negative. Simple.

But to act like these students aren't more at risk at home than with their football program is absurd. They'll be tested 3 times a week, they'll have access to the best medical care money can buy. At home, they're just hanging out with friends without any of that.

Why are we treating this like the Black Plague when it does not kill people the age of these athletes unless they are already on death's door when they contract it.
 
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utvols88 said:
Kingston's Plan Options

A. play football and be around the significantly less vulnerable in a controlled environment

or

B. Send these kids home to their older and more vulnerable parents and possibly grandparents in a significantly less controlled environment

Kingston picks
B because the kids.. 🙂🙃🙂🙃🙂
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Incorrect. I think the best course of action is to close the season and keep the college athletes already on campus there. Keep the student population at home and going to class virtually.

Social distance, wear our masks, pray for a vaccine, and we might be in a good spot by March.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I understand the monetary aspect for athletic administrations and I also understand how dire it will be for restaurants and other businesses dependent on football in these college towns.

I also know allowing schools, colleges and crowds to come back only lengthens the problem and the recession we’re in nationally.
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No, it doesnt. Locking down lengthens the recession because businesses close. Not temporarily but permanently. The longer you try to delay the problem, the more businesses will shut down.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
1. It is far more than monetary, but a large deal of it is. You're talking about some universities that may never recover. You're talking about the local economy, you're talking about thousands of students losing scholarships and the opportunities that they would never otherwise have. You're talking about athletes having an opportunity to escape from dangerous home environments. Etc. etc. There are many reasons why no football would be devastating.

2. Trey Smith understands the risk to himself. He does not have to play. Nobody is forcing him to play. If he wants to play, he, like all other football players, should sign a waiver saying they accept all risks and liabilities. I highly doubt this virus would kill Trey though just for the record. It would be awful. But the virus, as the data shows, is not anywhere near as deadly as the flu to college students.

3. They should do what baseball is doing. It isn't hard. If a player tests positive, you isolate the player until he tests negative. Simple.

But to act like these students aren't more at risk at home than with their football program is absurd. They'll be tested 3 times a week, they'll have access to the best medical care money can buy. At home, they're just hanging out with friends without any of that.

Why are we treating this like the Black Plague when it does not kill people the age of these athletes unless they are already on death's door when they contract it.
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1. I will sad drink every Saturday in the fall and not just Saturdays that we lose.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Incorrect. I think the best course of action is to close the season and keep the college athletes already on campus there. Keep the student population at home and going to class virtually.

Social distance, wear our masks, pray for a vaccine, and we might be in a good spot by March.
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So send the students to the uncontrolled environment with the older and more vulnerable parents and grandparents rather than amongst the significantly less vulnerable. Got it.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
1. It is far more than monetary, but a large deal of it is. You're talking about some universities that may never recover. You're talking about the local economy, you're talking about thousands of students losing scholarships and the opportunities that they would never otherwise have. You're talking about athletes having an opportunity to escape from dangerous home environments. Etc. etc. There are many reasons why no football would be devastating.

2. Trey Smith understands the risk to himself. He does not have to play. Nobody is forcing him to play. If he wants to play, he, like all other football players, should sign a waiver saying they accept all risks and liabilities. I highly doubt this virus would kill Trey though just for the record. It would be awful. But the virus, as the data shows, is not anywhere near as deadly as the flu to college students.

3. They should do what baseball is doing. It isn't hard. If a player tests positive, you isolate the player until he tests negative. Simple.

But to act like these students aren't more at risk at home than with their football program is absurd. They'll be tested 3 times a week, they'll have access to the best medical care money can buy. At home, they're just hanging out with friends without any of that.

Why are we treating this like the Black Plague when it does not kill people the age of these athletes unless they are already on death's door when they contract it.
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Possibly signing your life and rights away is a non starter and it should be.

The thing is, the current plan isn’t what baseball is doing. Colleges aren’t testing all players twice or three times a week whether they show symptoms or not. And these players cannot be effectively quarantined when you’re expecting them to go to school and live in dorms. It won’t happen.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
You let players who don't want to play opt out. You let players who do want to play, play. They aren't safer at home. How is this not understood? The virus doesn't magically disappear with the players at home hanging out with their friends.

We cannot remove all risk. This soft, pansy culture just cannot understand that life involves risks. These players are in more danger from the flu than this virus.
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You’re misrepresenting this as “soft” when it is literally all about liability. If there is even a sliver of a chance that a player can experience long term consequences and hold the school liable, then that’s an issue for schools and will drive their decision making.

Now if every single player who wants to play is willing to sign a waiver then OK, no problem. But considering one the “demands” from this players movement is to basically form a union, I’d say that’s no guarantee. At the very least, I’d say it’s not guaranteed until there are universally mandated safety protocols to protect players from COVID-19 (players’ words, not mine).

But until then - blame a litigious culture, not a soft one.
 
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utvols88 said:
No, it doesnt. Locking down lengthens the recession because businesses close. Not temporarily but permanently. The longer you try to delay the problem, the more businesses will shut down.
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That’s funny because I believe the opposite is true.

If we would have waited another 4-6 weeks to reopen our economy we would have beaten this thing into the ground - just like every civilized country already has.
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
In college? Nope.

Pros, yup.
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Then why do colleges pay ridiculous salaries to premier coaches? Because winning brings in much more revenue. Yes, there is a base of fans that follow regardless in college. But teams that start to consistently lose will lose fan following and revenue. I get what you are saying. But if you removed the most elite players and they went and played in a minor league then college football revenue would decrease. Not sure how much. Maybe less than I think.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
That’s funny because I believe the opposite is true.

If we would have waited another 4-6 weeks to reopen our economy we would have beaten this thing into the ground - just like every civilized country already has.
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You know Europe is experience the rise of a second spike right?
 
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Kingston Vol said:
That’s funny because I believe the opposite is true.

If we would have waited another 4-6 weeks to reopen our economy we would have beaten this thing into the ground - just like every civilized country already has.
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Why are cases spiking in parts of Europe and Asia then? Or all of Australia? I thought they beat it into the ground? Especially Japan, which has been a mask-wearing society for decades. Hell, they were lauded as being the exemplary mask-wearing nation as recently as June by the MSM.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
you won’t find me or any other functioning brain advocating that closing the season down removes ALL risk. It’s going to take much more than that - but we’re here to talk about sports.
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I think the argument is that maintaining the season is likely to in fact remove much much more of the risk than would be the case if you shut down the season. You may not agree with that argument but then as you note you'd have to have a functioning brain is order to see the truth in that. jmo.
 
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