2020 Presidential Race

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

All true, he does not have the power to do any of this and it should be thrown out by the courts. BUT He played Nancy perfectly because now she and the Dems will have to defend taking him to court to stop money going to the unemployed. the same unemployed in their states their party members keep shutting down.

Completely unconstitutional EO but brilliant political move.

 

[hog88]

That is not how she has to attack this. She just has to call these executive orders what they are: an abuse of power by the President. The United States Constitution is very clear on this in both the Appropriations Clause (Article I, Section 9, Clause 7) and the Taxing and Spending Clause (Article I, Section 8, Clause 2). Republicans in Congress were also against repealing the payroll tax, but they are going to just sit back and allow the president to usurp their control like this? Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has no backbone at all. Sen. McConnell would not remain quiet about this, if a president from the Democratic Party did the same thing.

Yeah that’s how the average voter will look at it.

 

[Zues1]

The "popular vote" in America doesn't win you the big prize. It just means you come in second at best.

Second place is the first loser.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Second place is the first loser.

So I've been told....

 

[BowlBrother85]

Yeah that’s how the average voter will look at it.

So, what should House Democrats do then? Do you realize the precedent that would be set, if Congress DIDN'T challenge these executive orders in federal court? Before you answer that, keep in mind that there will be a president from the Democratic Party again one day... perhaps even in 6 months. Do you really want the President of the United States to be able to get away with usurping Congressional control of the purse strings like this?

 

[hog88]

So, what should House Democrats do then? Do you realize the precedent that would be set, if Congress DIDN'T challenge these executive orders in federal court? Before you answer that, keep in mind that there will be a president from the Democratic Party again one day... perhaps even in 6 months. Do you really want the President of the United States to be able to get away with usurping Congressional control of the purse strings like this?

Yeah let Biden explain this in a debate.

Don’t get me wrong, the EO is trash and completely unconstitutional IMO but as a political move he just spanked Nancy’s and by default Joe’s azz.

 

[BigOrangeD]

All true, he does not have the power to do any of this and it should be thrown out by the courts. BUT He played Nancy perfectly because now she and the Dems will have to defend taking him to court to stop money going to the unemployed. the same unemployed in their states their party members keep shutting down.

Completely unconstitutional EO but brilliant political move.

Agree. That's exactly what he wanted. Put them on the hook.

 

[BigOrangeD]

Yeah let Biden explain this in a debate.

Don’t get me wrong, the EO is trash and completely unconstitutional IMO but as a political move he just spanked Nancy’s and by default Joe’s azz.

He's been pretty good at playing the DIMs game.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

He's been pretty good at playing the DIMs game.

That's bc he knows the Dems game. He's a Democrat in Republican clothing.

 

[luthervol]

Still your president. Enjoy President-Elect: Donald Trump Stuns the World, Wins the Presidency

Of course the world was stunned, America had just done the unconscionable.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Yeah let Biden explain this in a debate.

Don’t get me wrong, the EO is trash and completely unconstitutional IMO but as a political move he just spanked Nancy’s and by default Joe’s azz.

You are giving a wannabe authoritarian ruler too much credit for taking executive action that you want to think of as "political gamesmanship". Donald Trump isn't that smart. He is, however, truly this ignorant of the United States Constitution.

 

[hog88]

You are giving a wannabe authoritarian ruler too much credit for taking executive action that you want to think of as "political gamesmanship". Donald Trump isn't that smart. He is, however, truly this ignorant of the United States Constitution.

Dude he pulled an Obama move and shoved it up y’all’s azz.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Dude he pulled an Obama move and shoved it up y’all’s azz.

He pulled an ignorant move which violated the United States Constitution and will be nullified by a federal court.

 

[hog88]

He pulled an ignorant move which violated the United States Constitution and will be nullified by a federal court.

Yep it will be but let Joe explain why.

 

[BigOrangeD]

Dude he pulled an Obama move and shoved it up y’all’s azz.

I wonder if they will try to impeach him again. I can hear ol' Maxine screaming now, Impeach Foty Fi, Impeach Foty Fi, Impeach Foty Fi,

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Dude he pulled an Obama move and shoved it up y’all’s azz.

Yep, it's an Obama move .......plain & simple. BB85 doesn't see it as such though..

 

[BowlBrother85]

Yep it will be but let Joe explain why.

A 5 year old could point to the Constitution and explain why. It really is that clear.

 

[BigOrangeD]

A 5 year old could point to the Constitution and explain why. It really is that clear.

Yeah but can Joe?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Yep, it's an Obama move .......plain & simple. BB85 doesn't see it as such though..

It's unconstitutional, as executive overreach and an abuse of power.... plain and simple.

 

[BigOrangeD]

It's unconstitutional, as executive overreach and an abuse of power.... plain and simple.

Let's see how it pans out. Should be fun.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

It's unconstitutional, as executive overreach and an abuse of power.... plain and simple.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Yeah but can Joe?

Solid...

 

[hog88]

A 5 year old could point to the Constitution and explain why. It really is that clear.

Ok, can’t wait to hear Joe explain it.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

It's unconstitutional, as executive overreach and an abuse of power.... plain and simple.

But it was still an Obama move that was done. Obama overstep the constitution all the time to do his EOs.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Let's see how it pans out. Should be fun.

How about this scenario: Democrats just let this ride, so President Joe Biden can use this as a precedent for doing the same thing in six months when he wants to usurp Congressional control of the purse strings and complete his agenda without Congressional approval. How do you think Republicans will handle that?