JG’s Growth at QB

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Watched UT/Zou game from last season and I will have to admit, when JG is focused he can be a dangerous QB. Announcers kept saying Zou had a top 10 pass D and JG and receivers just carved them up at will. He can make all the throws required. It makes me believe the guy can be a top level QB if he gets his head together. Can he do it this season???
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Watched UT/KY game from last season and I will have to admit, when JG is focused he can be a dangerous QB. Announcers kept saying Zou had a top 10 pass D and JG and receivers just carved them up at will. He can make all the throws required. It makes me believe the guy can be a top level QB if he gets his head together. Can he do it this season???
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We all hope so. Evidence points to no, but I hope he makes a drastic turn and lights it up.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
We all hope so. Evidence points to no, but I hope he makes a drastic turn and lights it up.
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JG's been good for 1-2 games a season, and without a spring and summer after losing his two most-prolific receivers, I don't have a whole lot of faith in the idea that he is suddenly going to obtain a higher level of QB mental capability out of the blue.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Watched UT/Zou game from last season and I will have to admit, when JG is focused he can be a dangerous QB. Announcers kept saying Zou had a top 10 pass D and JG and receivers just carved them up at will. He can make all the throws required. It makes me believe the guy can be a top level QB if he gets his head together. Can he do it this season???
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This^^^. What separates a good quarterback from a great one is confidence. Winners want the ball when the game is on the line because they are confident in their ability to make plays. JG often lacks this in my opinion.
 
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BlackCreekVol said:
This^^^. What separates a good quarterback from a great one is confidence. Winners want the ball when the game is on the line because they are confident in their ability to make plays. JG often lacks this in my opinion.
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He has confidence, it's just misplaced. Like when he decided to override the coaches a go for a "QB sneak" against Alabama.

His problem is that he doesn't process information quickly in the pocket, it's why his throws are late, behind, underthrown, and why he's prone to getting sacked from holding the ball too long. You can have all of the arm strength possible, but if you can process and make decisions quickly, it doesn't matter how far you are capable of throwing the ball.
 
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BeardedVol said:
He has confidence, it's just misplaced. Like when he decided to override the coaches a go for a "QB sneak" against Alabama.

His problem is that he doesn't process information quickly in the pocket, it's why his throws are late, behind, underthrown, and why he's prone to getting sacked from holding the ball too long. You can have all of the arm strength possible, but if you can process and make decisions quickly, it doesn't matter how far you are capable of throwing the ball.
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I believe the QB sneak is one of the factors contributing to his lack of confidence. Overthinking can also cause these issues with timing. Kind of like overthinking your golf swing.. There is not enough time to think in many cases. You've got to be able to react on instincts and trust they are correct.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
I watched the 4th quarter when the game was on the line and Tn needed to score coming from behind to win. We did something the rest of the college football world went 0-272 trying to do that 4th quarter. Did you not watch the 4th quarter, do you think game winning drives late in the 4th quarter is a bad trait for a QB to have?
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Watch the first 3 quarters and you will see that we should have never needed a miracle onside kick to win. I assure you it wasn’t JG that won that game for us. Thank Eric Gray for that.
 
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GetEmVols said:
Watch the first 3 quarters and you will see that we should have never needed a miracle onside kick to win. I assure you it wasn’t JG that won that game for us. Thank Eric Gray for that.
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You are fighting a losing battle. This guy can't seem to grasp that there are 10 other players on the field with JG and 11 more on D that kept the game within reach despite JG trying to put it out of reach. He will pick out stats here and there to build his case. He can't be logical.

Anyone who tries and argue JG is the reason TN won their bowl game should be immediately evaluated for mental Illness and instability.
 
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GetEmVols said:
Watch the first 3 quarters and you will see that we should have never needed a miracle onside kick to win. I assure you it wasn’t JG that won that game for us. Thank Eric Gray for that.
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Another coach with the woulda shoulda coulda defense. Those arguments never do much for me when it comes to team sports. Why should it have been different, was it because you said it should have or do you have concrete proof and evidence that it should have been different. Please tell me how it would have been different with someone else, play by play would be great if you could give us that.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Another coach with the woulda shoulda coulda defense. Those arguments never do much for me when it comes to team sports. Why should it have been different, was it because you said it should have or do you have concrete proof and evidence that it should have been different. Please tell me how it would have been different with someone else, play by play would be great if you could give us that.
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JG scored more points for Indiana in that game than Indiana's own QB. He literally was responsible for more points for the opposing team than he was for Tennessee.

But sure, he was responsible for Tennessee's comeback win.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Another coach with the woulda shoulda coulda defense. Those arguments never do much for me when it comes to team sports. Why should it have been different, was it because you said it should have or do you have concrete proof and evidence that it should have been different. Please tell me how it would have been different with someone else, play by play would be great if you could give us that.
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Obviously, your absurd request is impossible. We can give you a play by play by JG though. How'd he do in the red zone? Since you are the fan, you tell us. His indecisiveness and poor decision making squandered red zone opportunities. As Bearded and I and many others have pointed out, JG scored more for Indiana than he did for TN. Any pundit will watch and say the QB play was awful.....barely mediocre at best.

TN nearly lost BECAUSE in large part of JG. He didn't lead TN to a win. TN won in spite of him. TNs defense and the play of Eric Gray were the major catalyst for TNs victory.

Give up this schtick of yours.
 
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GetEmVols said:
I dunno what to tell you, Guarantano. You suck.
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You don't know what to say because it's impossible to argue with woulda shoulda coulda arguments as they can't be proven, you're a smart guy though you'll figure it out. You're decent at 5th grade type arguments and insults, keep going with that, makes you look genius.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
Obviously, your absurd request is impossible. We can give you a play by play by JG though. How'd he do in the red zone? Since you are the fan, you tell us. His indecisiveness and poor decision making squandered red zone opportunities. As Bearded and I and many others have pointed out, JG scored more for Indiana than he did for TN. Any pundit will watch and say the QB play was awful.....barely mediocre at best.

TN nearly lost BECAUSE in large part of JG. He didn't lead TN to a win. TN won in spite of him. TNs defense and the play of Eric Gray were the major catalyst for TNs victory.

Give up this schtick of yours.
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Another weak pathetic argument on your end. I and many have said that JG struggled early in the game, he also kept his composure and played good enough down the stretch to win the game. You only see the worst in a person, I think that's a weak personality trait.
 
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BeardedVol said:
JG scored more points for Indiana in that game than Indiana's own QB. He literally was responsible for more points for the opposing team than he was for Tennessee.

But sure, he was responsible for Tennessee's comeback win.
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Nobody said he was responsible, it was said that he played his role in the wins. Only the simple minded took it as saying he was responsible for the wins, you fit that description I guess because not a single person I've seen has claimed JG is responsible for any of our wins. Facts are though that he's the only QB on the roster that produced wins late in ballgames this past year.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Another weak pathetic argument on your end. I and many have said that JG struggled early in the game, he also kept his composure and played good enough down the stretch to win the game. You only see the worst in a person, I think that's a weak personality trait.
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Not hypocritical at all. 😉
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Nobody said he was responsible, it was said that he played his role in the wins. Only the simple minded took it as saying he was responsible for the wins, you fit that description I guess because not a single person I've seen has claimed JG is responsible for any of our wins. Facts are though that he's the only QB on the roster that produced wins late in ballgames this past year.
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Right...because you definitely aren't implying that here are you...

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Typical neverJG argument that includes the old woulda coulda shouldas in every sentence. You folks even watch sports, you are aware that there are all types of scenarios that happen quite often in team sport. You moan and groan saying he played bad yet he played his role in us coming back and winning that game and only a football dummy would not recognize that.
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That game was won on the defense, special teams execution, a gutsy onsides kick call by Pruitt, and Eric Gray. JG's "contribution" to that win was that he stopped sacking himself, and stopped throwing pick-6s.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Right...because you definitely aren't implying that here are you...



That game was won on the defense, special teams execution, a gutsy onsides kick call by Pruitt, and Eric Gray. JG's "contribution" to that win was that he stopped sacking himself, and stopped throwing pick-6s.
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Spot on with this post. He will now imply you, I and anyone else who disagrees are a fifth grader. Which is ironic considering my fifth grade son would ask why the coach kept JG in the games.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Another weak pathetic argument on your end. I and many have said that JG struggled early in the game, he also kept his composure and played good enough down the stretch to win the game. You only see the worst in a person, I think that's a weak personality trait.
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1. It's not an argument.
2. My post was all facts.
3. I've said repeatedly I like JG. Think he's a good kid who wants to do well.
4. I only see the worst in those where that is all there is to see. I'll let you decide who fits that bill.
5. Insulting others by calling them fifth graders or weak minded is only childish thing I've seen in this thread.
6. You continue to resort to name calling and attempted (albeit weak) insults when you can't refute a post.
7. You've changed your tone about JG "leading" TN to victory versus mighty Indiana, which shows you know you are wrong. You went from he led them to victory, to now "he played his part". Kudos for recognizing that.
8. I need a drink.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
Spot on with this post. He will now imply you, I and anyone else who disagrees are a fifth grader. Which is ironic considering my fifth grade son would ask why the coach kept JG in the games.
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What's funny, is that he claims to have watched the games, and disregards the monumental effort that our receivers had to make just catch most of JG's passes, and then falls back on touting "passing efficiency" when it's pointed out how poor JG is in the redzone, and how our kicker averages more PPG than him.

Indiana was classic JG, held the ball too long, couldn't lead his receivers, terrible numbers in the redzone, scored more points for the opposing team than he did for Tennseess.

How anyone can look at that performance, and try to paint it as contributing to the win, is absolutely laughable. If it were any other QB on any other team, @PulaskiVolFan would be ripping anyone who tried to paint 0/2 with a pick-6 as 'playing his role in the team coming back to win the game'.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
I watched the 4th quarter when the game was on the line and Tn needed to score coming from behind to win. We did something the rest of the college football world went 0-272 trying to do that 4th quarter. Did you not watch the 4th quarter, do you think game winning drives late in the 4th quarter is a bad trait for a QB to have?
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Giving JG credit for IU is like handing a city proclamation to an arsonist who proceeds to put out a fire he started.

I'll repeat it again: seems like a really good kid. Tough as nails. Has literally bled for Tennessee. I'd buy his dinner if I ever see him in a restaurant.

He just isn't a good QB.

1. Holds the ball too long, throws his guys into coverage

2. Dump passes arrive at 398 mph.

3. Deep balls are always either jump balls, or fair catches. Rarely hits a receiver in stride deep.

4. Throws a nice intermediate pass.

5. Cannot read a defense. Requires protection packages to make up for this shortfall.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
You don't know what to say because it's impossible to argue with woulda shoulda coulda arguments as they can't be proven, you're a smart guy though you'll figure it out. You're decent at 5th grade type arguments and insults, keep going with that, makes you look genius.
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if a QB throws 5 interceptions that result in TDs to get behind by 5 touchdowns and the running back runs 6 touchdowns to win the game, do we say the QB really turned it around? Confused. We win a lot more games last year with a good QB. We didn’t have anyone better than JG though unfortunately.

We better hope Bailey is better than JG is as a freshman, because there were plenty of freshman QBs who were better than JG last year.
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
1. It's not an argument.
2. My post was all facts.
3. I've said repeatedly I like JG. Think he's a good kid who wants to do well.
4. I only see the worst in those where that is all there is to see. I'll let you decide who fits that bill.
5. Insulting others by calling them fifth graders or weak minded is only childish thing I've seen in this thread.
6. You continue to resort to name calling and attempted (albeit weak) insults when you can't refute a post.
7. You've changed your tone about JG "leading" TN to victory versus mighty Indiana, which shows you know you are wrong. You went from he led them to victory, to now "he played his part". Kudos for recognizing that.
8. I need a drink.
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That’s how you know you’ve won with him. When he results to insults or just simply disappears, that’s his way of saving face rather than admitting you have a point that trumps his. His counter partner (K town) will just disappear long enough for the smoke to settle on the subject and then claim he has a life (to justify his disappearance) that he evidently didn’t have when he thought he had a valid argument.
 
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1vol8 said:
That’s how you know you’ve won with him. When he results to insults or just simply disappears, that’s his way of saving face rather than admitting you have a point that trumps his. His counter partner (K town) will just disappear long enough for the smoke to settle on the subject and then claim he has a life (to justify his disappearance) that he evidently didn’t have when he thought he had a valid argument.
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It's actually become quite laughable. I truly hope it's just a schtick and he is a troll. I really hope there is no one that illogical in regards to their reasoning. And the fact his buddy K-Town does the exact same thing makes me believe it's just an act. I hope anyways.

Surely there can't be two people that absurd in their reasoning ability.
 
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GetEmVols said:
if a QB throws 5 interceptions that result in TDs to get behind by 5 touchdowns and the running back runs 6 touchdowns to win the game, do we say the QB really turned it around? Confused. We win a lot more games last year with a good QB. We didn’t have anyone better than JG though unfortunately.

We better hope Bailey is better than JG is as a freshman, because there were plenty of freshman QBs who were better than JG last year.
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Hard to completely disagree here due to experience but it’s even harder to agree when none of the other QBs had time invested in them. I feel it should be easy to put ourselves in a freshman qbs shoes, 6 weeks into his first season and THATS when they finally started investing time in him? The reason it seemed we didn’t have a better option is because no other option was given a chance until the toughest stretch of our season.
 
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