Mike Leach (Texas Tech)

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Yeah i think Leach would be an excellent addition to the struggling Vols team but I don't think that it is going to happen considering how great of a season he's having over at Tech
 
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i don't think leach is going to get the hire, and he is not my first pick.

but, just out of interest i looked up les miles' stats to see how what he has done in the SEC compares to what he did at OK St.

LSU- 40W 9L, 1 SECC, 1 NC

OK St- 28W 21L 0CC 0NC

seems that his record at OK St was a very poor predictor of his SEC performance.
 
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tm3 said:
i don't think leach is going to get the hire, and he is not my first pick.

but, just out of interest i looked up les miles' stats to see how what he has done in the SEC compares to what he did at OK St.

LSU- 40W 9L, 1 SECC, 1 NC

OK St- 28W 21L 0CC 0NC

seems that his record at OK St was a very poor predictor of his SEC performance.
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Not taking anything away, because I want Mike Leach, but you have to take this into consideration.He inherited a great team, he's been mooching off of Saban's recruits and getting all the success for it.
 
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tm3 said:
i don't think leach is going to get the hire, and he is not my first pick.

but, just out of interest i looked up les miles' stats to see how what he has done in the SEC compares to what he did at OK St.

LSU- 40W 9L, 1 SECC, 1 NC

OK St- 28W 21L 0CC 0NC

seems that his record at OK St was a very poor predictor of his SEC performance.
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I think that the OSU team Miles inherited was worse than that inherited by Leach, but I'm not positive.
 
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TheVolunteer said:
Not taking anything away, because I want Mike Leach, but you have to take this into consideration.He inherited a great team, he's been mooching off of Saban's recruits and getting all the success for it.
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Ummm...Have you looked at LSU's last couple recruiting classes under miles? Sorry but that doesn't fly.
 
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But the thing is I don't think it will continue. I expect him to end up like Larry Coker, although probably over a longer period of time.
 
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#1,859
kind of strange also, kind of like Leach. He marches to his own drum. The fact is so unorthodox helps surprise teams. The fake field goals and 4th down plays definitely make teams stay on their toes while playing Miles. Tommy maybe called the riverboat gambler of the conference, but Miles is riding the Mississippi Queen with him.

:pirate:
 
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TEX_VOLFAN said:
Just for giggles, lets say you are Mike Leach. What would you do as a head coach to bring in 4/5* players to come play football in Lubbock, Tx. Now when you talk to these 4/5* players, they have choices to go to UT(Texas), A/M, OK, USC, Florida, Alabama, etc.? What would be your selling point to get these kids to turn down these big programs to come to Tech?
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the potential to start right away, his huge offense, and while Lubbock is a dump (spent a week there), Norman, Tuscaloosa and Gainesville aren't exactly places I'd want to live either if I had my choice. Austin is a pretty cool place, obviously southern Cal is southern Cal. Never been to College Station.
 
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#1,861
Everybody talks about recruiting being the most important thing, but... what good is recruiting if you get outcoached every time and do not develop your recruits.
just wondering.
 
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VolVandy said:
Opps my bad.

Perhaps your right, but since Leach can do more with less then you may breakeven with Fulmer. That's worst case but I believe that even if he's not as good a recruiter that he will still have better recruits than he has at Tech and with a little success and the excitement of his offense the recruiting will take care of itself.
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I agree.

Neither Leach nor anyone else can come to UT with the expectation that their recruiting efforts won't be both necessary and important.

However, whether it be prestige, national exposure, facilities, money or whatever reason you can name, the "average" recruit that comes to UT is better than the those that Leach gets at Tech.

That alone will make both the offensive and defensive teams better for Leach in Knoxville, than Lubbock.

Secondly, we knock Leach for having so many west Texas kids on his team right now, but that could prove beneficial as well, because the pipeline he's established won't just dry up if he moves - in fact, it gives Tennessee an inroad to a fertile recruiting zone that they lack at the moment. Look at the current starting QB's in the SEC right now - several are from Texas, including Stephens at UT. So, obviously, that's an area of the country that we need to have a means of getting into. What better "in" could we have than a guy who spent 9 years there while running one of the most prolific offenses in the country? There's talent in Texas that wants to come to the SEC - who better to mine it than Leach?

You can also look at the flip-side as a benefit, too. How many kids in the South and other places would love to play in Leach's system, but simply wouldn't follow him to Lubbock in order to do it? Would they be more likely to follow him to Knoxville? Likely, many, many more would be willing to do so, I would think.

Ultimately, if you boil it all down - nothing recruits better than winning, exciting playing style, scoring, statistics and exposure.

I've yet to see a coach who had those elements and just failed at recruiting.

Has anyone else?

I think that when you mix Leach's system into a school with the prestige, money, facilities and fan base of UT - not to mention all while playing in the greatest conference in the country - his recruiting would be just fine.

Even if it wasn't for some unforseen reason, and he only continued to getting the same level of talent that he gets at Tech - look what he's done with them.
Say what you will, but it's impressive what he's done with all of those recruits that no one else seemed to have wanted, or in spite of whatever recruiting shortcomings you might to believe he has, or would bring with him.

If you were an 18 year old kid - wouldn't you want to play for Tennessee in a Mike Leach system? Imagine having a chance to run out in front of 108,000 screaming fans with Rocky Top blaring across the field, on a nationally televised game against an SEC rival - thinking that you had a chance to put 40 points on the scoreboard, and if you saw the othher team's punter of kicker more than 3 times during that game, you'd likely win by double-digits.

Yeah! I would, too!

It's not any more complicated than that, really.
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sethavellie said:
leach may be the mad scientist but i dont know if he would be a good fit for tn. i saw him on rome is burning, and he seems like the rainman of college football, let him keep his pirate ships and stay at texas tech, could you see the "leach show" after a ut game, it would be brutal!!! no to leach!!!! but what do i know....he also looks like the kind of guy after a game to go home take somes ludes, smoke some weed , and drink a bottle of jack(that may not be bad for some recruits)
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I can't think of a worse way to pick a head coach than by how he looks on television, or by how you think his weekly television show would be.

I can promise you this - the highlight portion of the show would be much more presentable (and palatable?) than the one we've seen for the last few years if you ask me.

Foregoing getting a great head coach based on how badly you think he would look on television is about as dumb as electing a person to be President simply because of how he looks and sounds on television.

Oh, wait.....
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#1,867
I can't believe we are so high on this guy. He is having one great season in a career that has had 8 very mediocre seasons prior to this. Even including his undefeated season this year he is still barely averaging over 8 wins a season. We have already let go a guy that averaged over 9 a season even including the terrible season this year. Leach's conference record has been even worse, with a winning percentage of just .586

You can't say this guy just didn't have the players to run his system blah blah blah, hes had 9 years to make them a powerhouse year in and year out in the best or second best recruiting state in the country and all they are is 7-6, 9-4, 8-5 etc... If we want to get excited about a guy who is gonna give us a bunch of average years and once a decade he MAY be able to get us to a conference championship game then thats fine, but I think we need a guy who has proven he can get over the hump and win big games and have big years consistently, not just one lucky run and a big win over a Texas team that was supposed to be in a rebuilding year themselves...

my .02
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
I can't believe we are so high on this guy. He is having one great season in a career that has had 8 very mediocre seasons prior to this. Even including his undefeated season this year he is still barely averaging over 8 wins a season. We have already let go a guy that averaged over 9 a season even including the terrible season this year. Leach's conference record has been even worse, with a winning percentage of just .586

You can't say this guy just didn't have the players to run his system blah blah blah, hes had 9 years to make them a powerhouse year in and year out in the best or second best recruiting state in the country and all they are is 7-6, 9-4, 8-5 etc... If we want to get excited about a guy who is gonna give us a bunch of average years and once a decade he MAY be able to get us to a conference championship game then thats fine, but I think we need a guy who has proven he can get over the hump and win big games and have big years consistently, not just one lucky run and a big win over a Texas team that was supposed to be in a rebuilding year themselves...

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Dude, He's averaging 8 wins a season at TEXAS TECH!!...Before He came around they were the whipping boy for the rest of the big 12...Heck even UT destroyed them opening day in 97...Leach can recruit and He can coach...He's perfect for the job and it amazes me that some of you do not agree...Nobody else on the list can do what this guy can do since Davis said no...Nobody...If I were a recruit with him at UT I wouldn't think twice about commiting, The offense is too much fun and He's just an all around interesting person.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Dude, He's averaging 8 wins a season at TEXAS TECH!!...Before He came around they were the whipping boy for the rest of the big 12...Heck even UT destroyed them opening day in 97...Leach can recruit and He can coach...He's perfect for the job and it amazes me that some of you do not agree...Nobody else on the list can do what this guy can do since Davis said no...Nobody...If I were a recruit with him at UT I wouldn't think twice about commiting, The offense is too much fun and He's just an all around interesting person.
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They have never been a whipping boy in the Big 12, in fact, the only losing season they have had since joining the Big 12 was under Leach (his first year). The coach prior to Leach, Spike Dikes, coached them to a higher winning percentage (about .650) in conference play (both SWC and Big 12). They have been, and will remain an average team in that conference even after this lucky season where all of the stars seemed to be aligning for them... granted, they haven't played Oklahoma yet.

I agree his offense looks fun, but so does Florida's, GT's. Even Alabama's offense looks fun when they are winning and running over people and pounding them into the ground. If an offense is effecient and runs properly it will look fun because that team is likely winning, and personally I don't care what our offense looks like as long as its effecient and winning.

As far as him being a good recruiter, that has yet to be seen in his 9 seasons. He is consistently out recruited by Texas, Okla, and A&M every year. Everyone says its because he doesn't have the facilities of those schools so he can't compete. Well if he were here he would be disadvantaged too, not with facilities but with homegrown talent. If he can't talk a kid from the state of texas into choosing his instate school instead of the other ones, how is he going to talk a kid from Alabama, Georgia, Florida, or Louisiana into choosing us over their instate program because Tennessee doesn't have homegrown recruiting like those places???
 
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#1,871
Some people evolve, some people get better over time, It is my opinion that Mike Leach has been doing just that.

He is refining his system, running more when he has to, working on his defense more than he used to. This year's offense seems to prove that.

With the success that he is having, recruiting will become easier, everybody likes a winner. And he is becoming a winner with a very exciting offense.

Then again, I could be completely wrong.
 
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#1,872
VolinMiami and a couple of others have posted the same garbage over and over in this thread.

Leach is not coming to UT no matter how many times they post the same old nonsense.

Now at 96 posts saying essentially the same thing...

Don't know if this link will work or not, but here's the summary for his posts in this thread:
http://www.volnation.com/forum/search.php?searchid=734883
 
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Leach is a loser & a nut,...dude is a weirdo. His offense will not work here,...very similar to that current loser OC we have,...why get more of the same?

We need to hire JIM HARBAUGH,.....keep Chavis and as many other coachs as possible. The defense is doing pretty good,...FIX THE OFFENSE! Harbaugh will stay @ UT for decades,...then go to the pros,....right now I'm watching him give So. Cal all they want & he is doing it w/some poor athletes. JIM HARBAUGH FOR TENNESSEE!!!
 
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tvolsfan said:
Miles didn't win the national title last year because of his recruiting abilities.
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No thats not what I mean, what I meant was that Miles inherited a great team of recruits that Saban recruited.It's not very hard to make to National Championship inheriting a team like that.
 
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